To feel incredibly sorry for Eddie Izzard

No worries.

I am all for this thread moving back to AIBU.

I find it very strange that people still try to make out that the majority of women in the UK don’t support female single sex space and don’t expect honesty around sex when it matters. It is simply not true . It is proven every poll that comes with a thread like this one. hence the poll is always very enlightening.

As are the wonderful posts from women who don’t post on the feminist boards , but have a good grasp of what is happening and are saying ‘no!’

I don't feel sorry for Eddie. His 'girl mode' is demeaning and offensive. He seems to think when you change shoes you change sex.

I feel sorry for the women and girls who feel uncomfortable and are made unsafe in public toilets and changing rooms because men like Eddie feel entitled to use them, and women increasingly feel unable to challenge men in those spaces. I feel sorry for every woman whose boundaries are disregarded when men like Eddie assert their right to be in women's spaces. I feel sorry for Rosie Duffield who's been deluged with abuse for speaking the truth, and received precious little support from the leader of her party.

I don't feel sorry for an ultra-rich celebrity who 'identifies' as a man when it comes to earning a man's salary, and as a woman when he feels like putting on high heels and make-up.

I wonder why Mumsnet obliges?

These threads are hardly ever allowed to remain in AIBU, the monitors report them quick smart so they get moved. So damn annoying.

How come so many other threads don't get moved to their own forum? Plenty of parenting threads are left, pet threads, relationship threads, but not gender.

Hmm, I wonder why some people don't want these threads to reach more people.

Yes, for decades he was a man/male who liked to paint his finger nails, wear heels and put on a skirt. That was absolutely fine and no-one raised an eyebrow. But to be expected to now go along with a lie and pretend he is a woman is just ridiculous.

I will refuse to refer to Males as women. There is nothing more stupid than reading articles blatantly about a man but the writer uses she and her throughout. Send me to prison, at least the heating will be free and 3 meals a day!

I pity Eddie too, he listened to the wrong people..... he was encouraged with the she/her stuff.

Eddie is not a child. He didnt need any encouragement to ensure he is the centre of attention.

Its the same when he needlessly used the womens toilets at that labour party event. He wasnt in any danger using the mens, he knew it would be noticed.

Transvestites perform in public for the attention and the thrill of it. Hes not changed.

Then I've used 'echo chamber' in the wrong context. I meant as in the majority here understanding the issues whereas being in AIBU gives opportunities for posters who hadn't considered the valid arguments before some exposure to them. Totally not explaining myself very well 🙈

I pity Eddie too, he listened to the wrong people..... he was encouraged with the she/her stuff.

He's stood up for JK Rowling. He's funny, and he's done some amazing things.

I wish he was happy with being a man who expresses his identity with feminine clothes.

Yes I feel sadness too that women like Rosie feel like this. It is sad that we are threatened with police and prison for stating that men are men and cannot be women.

Quite.

so we aren't even ALLOWED to mention troll like behaviour on MN?

MN move this back to AIBU - stop trying to hide these important issues.

Whatthefunkingfunk

A few years ago I repeatedly tweeted 50/50 parliament (the campaign to have equal men and women in the H of C) on this issue asking if they would consider it 50/50 if some of the women were transwomen. They declined to answer every time.

I'm disappointed in Eddie tbh. I loved who he was before. Just a man who loved to dress however he pleased with nothing else behind it. Now he's gone down this route. It's so tedious.

You are being very naive if you think theres never been a sexual element to the way eddie had always dressed in public.

He looks like a man. He talks like a man. He acts like a man. Omg. He IS A MAN. Ban me now MN for speaking truth. We aren’t in 1984 anymore. Those days are over.

Right behind you Rosie!

Exactly! I just typed up in another post we appear to have taken a wrong turn somewhere!

Yes!!! Right there with you on this one
This should remain in AIBU.

Getting it transferred to Feminism away from the high traffic of AIBU. Disappointed MNHQ are pandering to this bs

Why for living Christ do women feel more sorry for a man in a dress than they do for elite athletes losing their sports places and prizes, women being raped in prison, sexual assault victims wanting women to care for them, young adults regretting being sold a lie and being put on a path of medicalization. Why oh why?

This. A million times this. Fuck me.

Not read the whole thread. Yes I feel sadness too that women like Rosie feel like this. It is sad that we are threatened with police and prison for stating that men are men and cannot be women.

That’s the best of it, most people considered ‘bigots’ have no problem with expression generally, and the move away from androgyny, which granted was more about females dressing ‘masculine’ as I remember it growing up in the 90s, is a shame. I believe it to be during the 00’s that hyper focus on girls vs boys clothes really ramped up and may have added to where we are now.

And whilst the people labelled bigots for the most part would be totally ok with anyone wearing whatever they like, would the general population be as accepting? I don’t think so, and so bravery has a new face, which in turn is a denial of what actually is.

I don’t disagree with you, and biological males have no place in certain spaces for women. I do like to look at the bigger picture of how things end up the way that they do though, and think we definitely took a wrong turn somewhere in terms of people being able to express themselves in what they wear.

"From my point of view, I am a transgender woman, I am gender fluid. I have been open and honest about this for 37 years. People seem to be outraged about this."
www.theguardian.com/culture/2022/oct/27/eddie-izzard-rules-out-appearing-on-all-women-labour-mp-shortlist

Open and honest about this for 37 years, my arse.

I had the TV on in the background this afternoon playing music videos from the 70s and 80s. Lots of young men wearing make up, dresses and all manner of head gear. None of them claimed to be women. Happy days.

This thread shouldn't have been moved from AIBU. Feeling sorry for Izzard is not actually a feminist position!

Exactly. My friends and colleagues were part of the 'be kind' brigade, and weren't even aware of anything that was happening, like self ID legislation (I'm in Scotland) and the safeguarding issues this presents. That people are getting sacked for stating a spade is a spade, that some people - despite what the Scottish Gov tell you - do pretend to be something they're not to access women to hurt them. After proper discussion it's like the lightbulb has finally switched on.