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SNP MSPs will be whipped to vote in favour of gender recognition reforms

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Criticycle · 26/10/2022 20:17

www.scotsman.com/news/politics/snp-msps-will-be-whipped-to-vote-in-favour-of-gender-recognition-reforms-3894529

Nicola Sturgeon is now going to force members to vote in favour of gender recognition reform.

I feel like she does not understand that this is such a wedge issue that this might cripple the SNP for decades to come.

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Humbolt · 27/10/2022 15:07

I have such admiration for Ash Regan. I wish her resignation was the first sign of the dam breaking but I'm not sure many within the SNP would sacrifice their careers for this... sadly. And as for Nicola's 'If only you'd have come and had a wee chat with me' 😡

Pixiedust1234 · 27/10/2022 15:00

rogdmum · 27/10/2022 06:26

Enormous sadly not. Richard Leonard’s response to the GRR has to be seen to be believed. 😡

twitter.com/scot_feminists/status/1585274445027053569?s=61&t=GA_97sTFOzCElvJ_GoKDbQ

I would have been sorely tempted to have asked why they've done a copy and paste job and could they answer with their own opinion with good robust peer reviewed studies/links to back them up as your research has debunked the suicide stats at the very least 🤔

BunnyBerries · 27/10/2022 15:00

So, in essence, another woman losing her job, for speaking up.

Why am I not surprised.
But well done Ash.

Smilelesstalkmore · 27/10/2022 14:59

Sturgeon pretending like she didn't realise there was any controversy at all with this Bill and that absolutely everyone is on board with it. She knew, she just didn't want to listen, and as Ash would have well known, would have dismissed anyone's concerns as 'transphobic' anyway.

This whole thing is kind of nuts! Well done Ash.

Runningslow · 27/10/2022 14:59

According to one of my MSPs, any concerns are based on misunderstandings.(Green)

Runningslow · 27/10/2022 14:58

It says at the bottom that she raised this in a letter in 2019 with other MSPs.

GreenFrogBlueFrog · 27/10/2022 14:57

Oh, essentially cross posted with @Signalbox !

GreenFrogBlueFrog · 27/10/2022 14:56

Wow, full of admiration for Ash. I can't believe the First Minister's response to her resignation (paraphrasing) "you've never raised this with me before" - well who feels safe to raise this sort of thing in their workplace?!

Signalbox · 27/10/2022 14:55

"I note that at no stage have you approached me - or indeed the Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice - to raise your concerns about the Gender Recognition Reform Bill or the vote this evening."

Presumably Ash was aware that her concerns would have been dismissed as "transphobic" so there was not much point in approaching NS.

Signalbox · 27/10/2022 14:52

Oh Wow. Good for Ash Regan.

caroleanboneparte · 27/10/2022 14:50

Go Ash!

JanieAllen · 27/10/2022 14:49

WOAH!!!!!!!

ArabellaScott · 27/10/2022 14:39

'In her resignation letter, she wrote: "I have considered the issue of Gender Recognition Reform very carefully over some time.

"I have concluded that my conscience will not allow me to vote with the government at the Stage 1 of the Bill this afternoon.

"Consequently, I am writing to resign my position in the Scottish Government as Minister for Community Safety.'

A woman of principles. Thank you.

ArabellaScott · 27/10/2022 14:39
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BlackForestCake · 27/10/2022 14:38

Community Safety Minister Ash Regan has just resigned.

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/snp-minister-ash-regan-resigns-28340482

The dam is breaking.

nilsmousehammer · 27/10/2022 14:00

Boldly going forwards cos we can't find reverse....

There's reality on the starboard bow, scrape it off Nic!

ArabellaScott · 27/10/2022 13:51

Rushing only headlong onwards. This is what 'progressive' means!

rogdmum · 27/10/2022 13:37

And note the contrast in the rush to implement this compared to the ScotGov comments about the Cass Review in the Express today:

”The Scottish Government has said services have a year to consider the findings of the research from the Cass Review that led to some gender identity clinics being closed down in England. The move has been criticised as too little too late for kids already in the system.”

www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/childrens-commissioner-accused-risking-health-28334065

No sense of urgency there, eh?

ArabellaScott · 27/10/2022 13:24

I think you're right, Amaryllis.

Pam Gosal's article emphasised legislation must not be rushed; as do those advocating 'watchful waiting' wrt children with gender incongruence. Women have been asking for time to be spent discussing, questioning, examining.

A feature of the arguments of most people advocating for Self ID is urgency- this has to happen nownownow, time is running out, we can't hang about to examine it too closely, get a move on, sign it in, quick quick quick. This echoes the time-sensitive arguments wrt puberty blockers - we can't wait to find out whether or not they're right for children, they must be given to children as soon as puberty starts to show - actually now WPATH have removed any age limits, I believe. Etc.

High pressure tactics.

Signalbox · 27/10/2022 13:20

ArabellaScott · 27/10/2022 12:25

Oh my god, all those crumpled up liberal faces quoting entirely made up statistics. How to show you care!

nilsmousehammer · 27/10/2022 13:05

Delays increasing public awareness of what it means and giving time for people to start pushing back.

Democracy is now transphobic.

As well as being female and wanting to safeguard children.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 27/10/2022 12:47

To be honest - I think the Greens and SNP want this over and done because it's so divisive and getting more so. One of the Greens sent me a pious email that delays were increasing transphobia but I think the bigger problem is that (with all the recent bad news) delay increases the division in their own parties. While the Libs and Labs don't want an obvious split in their own parties either and a whip gives their dissenters (and anyone who changes their mind) plausible deniability when there's an election. They probably hope they can edit the worst bits out with amendments later on and we can all forget and move on.

ArabellaScott · 27/10/2022 12:25

rogdmum · 27/10/2022 06:26

Enormous sadly not. Richard Leonard’s response to the GRR has to be seen to be believed. 😡

twitter.com/scot_feminists/status/1585274445027053569?s=61&t=GA_97sTFOzCElvJ_GoKDbQ

ArabellaScott · 27/10/2022 12:24

Sorry, debate from 2, not sure when the vote is.

ArabellaScott · 27/10/2022 12:24

live online from 2pm. This is Stage 1, there are 2 and 3 to go through and then I think usually a wait for it to become law.