Kemi Badenoch appointed new Minister for Women and Equalities

@DadJoke still waiting despite you continuing to post (and getting deleted)

Be a dear and explain it in one syallble words to us poor feeble minded wimmin. We needs help understanding 🙏

and yes to this

And it's not "females" who don't accept it

fair point

its males and females

To be somewhat serious and somewhat tongue in cheek... I don't think it's reasonable to say "no men in women's toilets". A more proportionate response would be to have a rule whereby any man who wishes to enter a woman's toilet is banned from doing so and has their hard drive checked, because their desire to ignore women's boundaries is a massive red flag. In contrast women should not be overly concerned by the presence in women's toilets of men who would never in a million years go into the ladies, because they are much less of a concern.

FGS multiple posters have answered you over and over (and over) again over multiple pages.

Obviously, a poster was needing something to be said that directly aligned with their 'gotcha' while denying it was indeed a 'gotcha'.

You've missed the TLDR question.

Why would a male prioritize society validating their claimed sense of identity over the comfort privacy and safety of women, unless they are incredibly selfish or misogynistic?

How do you know whether the male in women's toilets is a man or a trans woman?

FGS multiple posters have answered you over and over (and over) again over multiple pages.

Females have rights too. Sorry about that.

I am no saying you're wrong - I am sure many share these perspectives - but I just don't see it like this.

That I have experience almost no racism in my life does not mean that there is some divide between me and someone who has.

That someone lacks white privilege does not make them a victim, it says nothing about whether they are relatively privileged or the reverse, it simply says that one aspect of privilege they lack.

That.

If you as a male do this, you are demonstrating a belief that it's ok for you to distress, intimidate and exclude females, and deprive them of any facility at all.

And maybe they should be clear what those motivations are.

And by the way, not all those motivations may spring from malign intentions. Just to be clear.

But they should be clarified with the degree of persistent posting on this thread.

And some people enjoy talking to women about toilets and probably shouldn’t be indulged

I agree.

DadJoke You still haven't answered how a transwomen is different to the other man on the planet? Why should say Eddie Izzard who is happy enough to be his actual sex when it suits especially if it's to his advantage, be allowed by your rules into a women's toilet and not say my respectful non dress wearing brother ? (Not that I want any man in a women's toilets by the way. Nor would my brother either just for the record ) Are the words "I am a woman" really enough to bend reality? I am all ears too your response.
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So perhaps Dadjoke will come and tell us what their motivations are.

As I asked up - page: How does this benefit YOU exactly?

And I also believe that I and others have told Dadjoke very clearly and honestly on other threads over the years just how varied our 'toilet' needs are and how it is not just about needing to 'pee'.

Point being that any male knowing the very needs for females being completely away from male gaze that still persists in pursuit of other males accessing female toilets and other single sex spaces, may well have other motivations other than 'be kind'.

And maybe they should be clear what those motivations are.

And some people enjoy talking to women about toilets and probably shouldn’t be indulged

Some people are keen on pressuring women to talk about their toileting needs.

And I also believe that I and others have told Dadjoke very clearly and honestly on other threads over the years just how varied out 'toilet' needs are and how it is not just about needing to 'pee'.

This.

loads of women don’t even know what GC is- I’d struggle to find any woman who did- yet I’d also struggle to find women who would be happy with a transwoman who looked like Eddie Izzard (were Eddy not a celebrity) using a woman’s toilet.

Yes apocalips. I have yet to find any woman who thinks it is ok for males to ever use the female toilets after they are about 8 - 10 years old.

Yet we are constantly told that women are quite fine with it and we are the extremists. There is a real disconnect somewhere.

yes. It really has become clearer over the years.

We know that there are transitioned male people who still use the male toilet without issue. So, why is it that they can, and other transitioned males cannot?

And when it comes down to basic respect, if a transitioned male knows that their presence could cause any female in the toilet distress, how can it be then said that they respect women by using the toilet regardless?

Those using the female toilet are, by this stage of awareness, deliberately doing it knowing it could cause any female in that toilet distress, deliberately doing it for other reasons, or are completely unaware of anyone else's needs other than themselves and they feel because some other male has told them it is 'ok', that they are entitled to do so.

Have I missed anything?

It’s not just women who call themselves Gender Critical who don’t like it.

loads of women don’t even know what GC is- I’d struggle to find any woman who did- yet I’d also struggle to find women who would be happy with a transwoman who looked like Eddie Izzard (were Eddy not a celebrity) using a woman’s toilet. There would be a lot of chuntering, put it that way.

I find when women say they’re ok with it they’re picturing a very feminine looking transwoman who passes. Not someone who still looks obviously male.

but I don’t know many who would say anything to their face, just like many women won’t say a lot of things to a man’s face. Lots of women “put up with”’rather than risk a confrontation.

Transwomen do not have a "right" to use women's toilets currently. They do so because they have male entitlement and because by and large women are socially conditioned not to confront them, or are sensibly fearful of doing so. Now some of us are calling it out.

It's just like buying a house from a frail, infirm old lady and discovering the neighbours have been taking the piss with fence boundaries for years; "oh she never said anything and we've always done it".

And I think that you are missing the point.

Why are YOU so determined to discuss this issue? Why?

How does this benefit YOU exactly? Please be very specific because I have watched you cross talk guidelines several times here. You seem overly invested in misrepresenting the law as it stands and the intention of the law.

And it IS a sleight of hand twist. Your determination to ensure that women see the law in your interpretation can very easily, and indeed has, be seen as you trying to persuade us to accept males into single sex female spaces. How bizarre that you quibble about this.

So dadjoke. Why?

It's legal for all men to use women's spaces. There is no law forbidding them. The majority of trans people are unequivocally the sex they were born under the law.