Kemi Badenoch appointed new Minister for Women and Equalities

This is part of the problem. Defining who is true transexuals or not.

Hence why I have gone for ‘male’.

Apparently we have been told now for a couple of years, no one denies their ‘biology’. I am just holding people to that.

As transpeople are just normal ordinary people without any special needs or agendas, using their sex when sex matters should be no issue.

Because no one is denying ‘biology’.

So being categorised as male should be no issue at all.

No males above puberty in female single sex spaces. It is uncontroversial to say it and there is no ambiguity at all.

TheBiologyStupid · Today 21:28
Let's use the word 'male'. Done

This! Or male transsexual, which is a legally recognised term (unlike "transwoman", with or without a gap)

I think male transsexual is a better word but I thought somehow it was considered ‘wrong’ these days.

Yup. I agree. Male transsexual and female transsexual. Say what we see.

Let's use the word 'male'. Done.

This! Or male transsexual, which is a legally recognised term (unlike "transwoman", with or without a gap).

Describing trans women as "men who think women is a costume" is transphobic as hell.

@DadJoke describing women as a feeling in someone’s head is misogynistic and sexist as hell. Men cannot be women however spinny their skirt is however or pink their beret is. And men do not belong in women’s. toilets. It’s always the men who really really should not be allowed in those spaces who are desperate to get in. Decent men wouldn’t dream of invading womens spaces.

Article about KB in Spiked

Good article about her "attack" on Pink News

That's a really good point, Rufus.

If one doesn't pause is that a misgendering hate offence?

The length of pause may be a sign of how earnestly one believes TWAW?

I have come across transwomen who don't think woman is a costume. I've spoken to two.

They're the ones who consequently understand and respect women and so stay the fuck out of our spaces.

No trans woman things being a women is a costume.

I've not been following thread much but christ, haven't you seen the skirt swirling videos on twitter/ tick-tock ffs?!

So if im saying transwomen do i have to say

trans…….long pause…..woman?

how long should the pause be i wonder 🤔

im not going to do a pause…but im curious now

It's not transwomen it's trans women, and you already know the difference. No trans woman things being a women is a costume.

Oh gosh, how very refreshing a male demanding that women use certain language, what they must, think, say, do, accept and put up with.

How many rules of misogyny has our revered male poster complied with so far? Anyone still labouring under the misconception that Gender Ideology is not a Male Rights Agenda red in tooth and claw?

DadJoke sterling work on showing clearly that Gender Ideology is driven by and for males with the express aim of detriment to females.

By the by DadJoke I'll use the language I choose to describe transwomen, who died and made you Dictator?

I don’t think that Bunce and Izzard (and that Tory MP) work well with the desired narrative. Which is very interesting because if saying the word ‘costume’ is being dismissed as a hate crime then how are these males being accepted.

Funny how @DadJoke has twice refused to answer my questions of what they believe is the definition of transwoman, sex, male, female. The legal definition.

I think we need to keep asking that rather than answer their questions, because really we can't. Not until we all agree on the actual definitions. They could be thinking a transwoman is a unicorn which makes all discussions nonsensical.

No trans woman things being a women is a costume.

The other thing this points out is:

No male who wishes to calls themselves a ‘woman’ actually knows what being a ‘woman’ is like and therefore the only truthful name is ‘male person who wishes to be called a woman but is only their interpretation of what a woman is’.

Quite the mouthful I know, but is at least marginally more honest.

When someone shows you who they are, believe them.

When a male demands women use the words they want to describe a state of being they want to label using a word that means adult human female, take note of that male’s demands and say ‘no!’

I daresay someone who wants is identifying as their interpretation of adult human female will be rather infuriated.

Quite. Tell that to the penis playing pianist transwoman, who writes jokes about 'say that again, and I'll hit you with a hate crime'.

No trans woman things being a women is a costume.

Well, and in all honesty I can't be more polite than this, but who gives a flying fuck how men identifying as women describe it to themselves?

It's nothing to do with women.

Yes. The truth is transphobic. We know.

I am not lying to protect male egos.

Describing trans women as "men who think women is a costume" is transphobic as hell.

That line might have carried a little bit of weight back in about 2016, before characters like part time Pips Bunce, 'girl mode/boy mode' Izzard and sundry others became familiar players in this drama. Now it's just the toothless bleat of those truly bereft of argument.

Yawn.

Yes 'Flibberty'.

However, the reality is we don't need the answers. We see all we need to see.

A male coercing females to allow males to access female single sex spaces. And to coerce females to use the language that some males want used.

That is all we really need to know and all we have ever needed to know about posters who persistently do this.

yes indeed Helleofabore.

I like to also sometimes draw imaginary Venn diagrams of those who don't answer questions and those who like to compel speech.

It must be interesting for readers to note the questions that are not answered and to think about why they are not answered.

Fair enough datun, unlike those who like to think we are an echo chamber, I know that each of us has our lines.

I would like to use man and then go into the descriptors you use, but as you say, they are not allowed. Anyone not understanding why they are not allowed probably needs to think about the far reaching impacts of that diktat. Some people will never be able to because they are so personally heavily invested in this somehow. Particularly if they fall under one of those descriptions themselves.

Personally, I would use the word man, or cross dressing man, or transvestite, or man with AGP/a paraphilia. I'd use all and any of those words to describe these specific individuals, but of course, we're not allowed to actually apply those terms to named individuals.

so I don't.

This.

Particularly those from minority or vulnerable groups.

When they try to voice the fact its problematic - and this isn't just about dignity - this includes safety, they are actively abused, called names and threatened with actions to lose their jobs.

Women are trying to assert their rights that exist within law, but are being actively prevented from doing so by abusive and unlawful methods such as harassment.

It would be nice if this alone could be acknowledged - barriers to women being able to advocate for themselves and be able to be taken seriously about their concerns and feelings, without fear or being talked over about and told what they think and feel by men...

No trans woman things being a women is a costume.

Don't they? how do you know this exactly?

Are you a spokesperson for all transitioned males? If so, we have some other questions.

How do you know what all transwomen think?

But yes, I do know the difference. There is none. I thought you might have a different answer, but if you agree with mine, fine.