Kemi Badenoch appointed new Minister for Women and Equalities

I'm happy to listen if people want to explain what makes Kemi so dreadful and disgusting and monstrous and evil. But all I'm getting so far is that she's right wing. Well yeah... she's in the tory cabinet. What did you expect?

It looks like a lot of people on the left really can't cope when a black woman has views they disagree with. The vitriol aimed at Kemi is extra.

from her voting record she seems to be quite anti-immigration or at least lowering it, her views on refugees aren’t exactly the most progressive, all of which are seen as generally socially to the right.

Ok thanks.

She has a pretty hands off view on the economy.

What do you mean by that? She doesn't really do economic stuff?

but if she doesn’t think women have the right to a safe, legal abortion, what is the point in knowing the definition of a woman?

Has KB said she doesn’t think women have the right to a safe, legal abortion? That does seem quite extreme.

Please could you link this? I can’t find her voting record on abortion - all I can find is her views being quoted and from what I’ve read it seems it’s being reported her views are the opposite of how she’s actually voted.

Is not agreeing with hate crime legislation far right now?

I'm left wing and I don't support hate crimes. I support hate crime sentence enhancement for picking on the vulnerable or for particularly heinous acts but I don't think something should be a crime if committed against one group but not another.

Kemi Badenoch is wrong about just about every single aspect of policy apart from women's rights but she's competent and seems a good choice from a bad bunch.

Does anyone want to fling the word 'monstrous' or 'unhinged' or 'extreme' around any more? Any other ableist slurs? Oh, we have a few 'nutters', I see. Good stuff.

Has the tantrum passed?

Kemi seems to have the courage of her convictions. We need someone like that on the side of women.

It's amazing how so many women are happy to embrace dreadful people with disgusting voting records just because they support you on a single issue.

It's at best, misguided. Actually, I think it's fucking disgusting to be willing to throw everyone else under the bus.

She has a pretty hands off view on the economy.

I think left/right wing is subjective, but generally GC views are seen as right wing, her views on abortion are seen as right wing, from her voting record she seems to be quite anti-immigration or at least lowering it, her views on refugees aren’t exactly the most progressive, all of which are seen as generally socially to the right.

Just looked up Kemi's votes on abortion issues and I think her anti-abortion stance is being hugely exaggerated on here.

She voted in favour of NI having powers to commission abortion laws. She voted against the removal of current restrictions on abortion in the UK and against the introduction of abortions without restrictions in NI. She voted against the so-called buffer zones, but I think this was a good call since that was really a proposal for censorship.

Hardly "monstrous".

Those are actually important, and foundational, women's rights. To say she doesn't support women's rights is simply not true.

There are many areas where the application and nature of certain rights are more complex, where reasonable and good people may have different viewpoints.

You know who else thinks there is only one way to think about rights? TRAs. If you have any difference of viewpoint about what is in fact a right, or which rights need to be balanced against other rights, well, you are just a monster.

People here say all the time, they are not against trans-rights. They just don't think they include things like access to single-sex spaces. Or the effects of certain policies need to also consider the effects on other issues and people.

This checklist approach - a person has to support this exact set of policies or they must be anti-woman is just not how a mature political discussion happens.

I asked around last time, apart from wanting to get rid of tas, in what way she was right wing?

Dh couldn't tell me exactly. And I couldn't work out what she stands for that's right wing?

She's against critical race theory, which is bonkers racist ideology.

If you let CRT, an import from America where racism has a different history and different triggers, loose in the U.K., we would get a lot more racist extremism.

Some areas of the U.K. of low socioeconomic status, mostly white, are extremely disenfranchised. It's can be incredibly hard for young men to get jobs. You've generations of unemployment. They do see immigrants as taking their jobs. Pour crt in and you have a flame to the oil.

Racism exists but crt is not the way to handle it.

David T C Davis has been given Welsh Secretary and is gender critical. Though I have no knowledge of his other policy views.

That legislation exists.

I hope she enforces and insists on that legislation being used - in workplaces, prisons, schools, hospitals, refuges, therapy groups, sports, care homes and more.

How quickly she does that will be interesting. Because I'm really fucking angry with the Tories now. I'll never vote them anyway; but bloody hell this is poor.

I actually understand where both are coming from and agree and disagree with them on different issues. It doesn't make me a right wing nut job or a left wing nut job but I think it makes me an adult....

Quite.

I do understand why those who are GC would see this as a great thing for women because Kemi “knows what a woman is” but if she doesn’t think women have the right to a safe, legal abortion, what is the point in knowing the definition of a woman? Surely the whole point of being GC is to definite women as female, and therefore protect their sex based rights and ensure they have sufficient recognition and protection for things that only occur to women, i.e abortion? I genuinely don’t understand the viewpoint.

I hope she legislates that all companies have proper single sex toilets . Then my bloody workplace can change them back.

Fucking hell your bar for what’s sufficient belief to qualify someone as pro-women’s rights is so low it’s buried underground.

How is voting against home abortion provisions anti trans? A lot of women are against extending abortion rights. What's it got to do with trans issues?

Have you never heard of people having different points of view?

Well you could say the same for the Corbyn wing of the Labour party.
But just because Badenoch and Corbyn have different perspectives doesn't make them demons. I actually understand where both are coming from and agree and disagree with them on different issues. It doesn't make me a right wing nut job or a left wing nut job but I think it makes me an adult....

Worse than hush… just riled insults

I wouldn’t say it’s shutting down discussion - if anything it’s encouraging it. Rather than pages of praise on why this is a great appointment, surely it’s better for some posters to come in and say “hang on, Kemi might be great for reason X, but what about things Y and Z?” There’s no need for name calling though, and I don’t think calling someone a nutter really encourages them to see things from your perspective.

There was a good discussion within the last year on womens hour about why it wouldn't be useful to make misogyny a hate crime. Unfortunately I've forgotten the main gist but it was a reasoned argument

"Anti-racism" doesn't mean being against racism, oddly. It means accepting an ideology of race essentialism that believes racial hierarchies are inevitable.

It is very much a part of what people mean when they talk about things being "woke" and I would consider her rejection of it to be a good thing.

I think you will find she believes in women's rights, for example the right to work, to vote, and stand for Parliament.