Kemi Badenoch appointed new Minister for Women and Equalities

This - very intelligent young lady/ also don’t agree with all of her views but definitely one to watch. Her speech in the commons regarding CRT is brilliant.

I think that the ‘Many’ who find her abhorrent are not in the Conservative Party.

mangy, the “cynical” bit was about him taking these steps in the hope voters will forget about the recent turmoil rather than because he believes them to be right and necessary in a democracy.

Personally, I think a change of PM should only ever be voted for either by the whole electorate or by the MPs of the ruling party. I therefore have no issues with how he came to the post. I also think that governing contrary to the manifesto is very concerning (from a democracy pov) so no issues with his stance on that either.

I didn’t vote Tory, and disagree with many of their policies. But most of the country disagreed with me, and so I can accept the MPs governing in line with their electoral promises. Can’t promise I won’t campaign against some them, of course!

To me, monstrous means just that. Something like, it is ok to run human experiments implanting probes into kids brains, that kind of thing.

Supporting a budget that will cut things like childcare, or even rescue services? That's not the same, because the fact is that those policies aren't because they hate mums or want people to drown. It's about figuring out what they think will be the best way to allocate resources, the most effective way to run services. And resources are always limited.

Lots of governments make choices that I think aren't going to be effective, or put more emphasis on one thing when I would rather have it on another. That doesn't mean it is accurate to say they do it because they are happy about bad outcomes or don't care about people.

Just as an example, I personally am somewhat wary of universal state supported childcare, because i think effectively what it does is force mums of young children into work, because they can't justify the cost of not doing it, and I think that is a deeply anti-woman approach.

I don't think people that believe universal childcare is a good policy idea are monsters though. They are looking to uphold a good, one they think will play out differently, perhaps, or they think it will have other impacts, whatever.

To me this is an important distinction.

Sorry - I don’t mean refresh! I mean when you first click the link to open it, press the X before it fully loads. Then you should be able to read the full article.

Just a tip if anything’s paywalled - if you refresh it and then press the X before it’s fully refreshed, the whole article should load. You have to be quick fingered though lol

You may well be right, though I don't think it's cynical at all. To me it suggests that he understands his job. That they are still answerable to voters, that he needs some kind of support from citizens and MPs, and that there needs to be some stability after what has happened.

He either gets it or he has some astute advisors.

But .. you're not saying which of her 'views' you dislike. Just repeating that she's 'far right', without actually explaining how she is or what makes you think that. Is it her work on FGM that you find 'far right'? Or her views on social care? Or would you like to discuss the specifics of the migration debate?

Just repeating 'she's far right' and that her views are 'monstrous' is so vague it's pointless.

Bring some specifics, evidence, links, fresh information or insight.

I haven't 'failed to come up with' anything - it is not an exam - I have simply expressed a view that Badenoch's political views are, in my opinion, monstrous and she will be extremely negative for womens' rights in general. If you like her views, that is fine.

Does this work?

www.nytimes.com/article/what-is-critical-race-theory.html?unlocked_article_code=mTP-pACyC3HVE30PzRRWj-5L5-tAt9vfUYPtzAdUST2xNMXrBqgWektxbW72LTzIj5jJROAz4JNu9nh8tW-mHyMGW4X7T8hMO1hkbNbp3KzzLLnK97ZTdGKke_w4MiNk4B9cq4HO5NTVcrRbzYM2f4gr_K4hdLyL54HprHApInoASqllAahnVqXCLb3UCPHkZo_lRmtKxRnZDeqOqtPfKz_e1ZTpgBD3vYUY6im_rb-jG8DEgfMsZMhKl60FRoQiijUVG0cRED86Rg4yFLmtGfwJekONQ3VmFQ4vn12MlgE2PCLUwcX7B5dOGojsAapNm28SAycmENm2V38&smid=share-url

No. I'm relatively left wing, not a Conservative voter.

You've failed so far to come up with a single specific reason you call Badenoch's politics 'monstrous', I don't even see any evidence of her being what you call 'far right'. She's a Conservative. We know.

I'm quite happy to stop 'discussing' this with you, though, if you haven't actually got anything substantive to add.

I consider her views extreme.

I guess it depends where you yourself are on the spectrum as to whether Badenoch seems extreme.

Thank god for someone sane.

Is Martin Luther king "outdated?"

Perhaps it's been diluted and misinterpreted by the Tavistock but it sounds downright dangerous when described here:

Woman suing the Tavistock and Portman for racism, discrimination against philosophical belief www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4661563-woman-suing-the-tavistock-and-portman-for-racism-discrimination-against-philosophical-belief

@Wallaw paywalled.

Do you like the far right of the Tory party then?

I guess if you do, we won't agree so why waste more time discussing?

Those issues are bread and butter issues that affect millions of womens' lives, if they seem vague to you maybe you just need to read a bit more about them.

That's interesting that she did that.

Sadly can be common among refugees and those claiming asylum. It's a horrific form of torture in some countries.

If you think CRT is bonkers racist ideology, I would suggest that you might not really fully understand it. The New York Times has a pretty good explainer on what it really is.

www.nytimes.com/article/what-is-critical-race-theory.html

She is about to abolish teaching assistants in schools.

How will she manage that, when she’s not in charge of DfE?

How?

I'm a teacher in a send school.

That won't/ can't happen. She's not education Ffs.

Hyperbole.

Ok thanks mangley, I'd definitely say there's a lot of overlap. And she's a Tory. That's what they do. But there's been policies like that in labour.

When people say right wing I do think of more extremist stances

She is about to abolish teaching assistants in schools. Let's hope your child doesn't have sen

I don't want to hear about purity politics when transactivists were cosying up to genuimely extremist far right politicians like Crispin Blunt. Be honest- the problem with Kemi Badenoch isn't how she votes but that she's not in your pocket.

Simplistic is the name of the game, Mangy. I was REALLY pissed off to see the stuff about windfall taxes being entirely disengenuously framed by Labour.

Why can't politicians at least try to work constructively with each other towards mutually satisfactory goals?