Kemi Badenoch appointed new Minister for Women and Equalities

"Gender identity" is the generally recognised term - the legal term is gender reassasignment, which is a functionally the same thing, and makes absolutely no difference to the fact that transgender people can use the loos of their choice.

a) Rubbish, this has been debunked multiple times

b) females have equal rights. Deal with it.

c) yes, of course oppose it because this isn't a male supremacist society and it's totally unbelievable for anyone to witter about rights and access when you only care about males getting to invade female spaces, breach female consent and exclude females while enabling predators to continue to knock up the harm to females in the process.

Anyone sane would see the issues with this.

Gender identity? No.

There isn’t a single UK law that mentions gender identity.

Stop swallowing Stonewall’s guff.

Like it or not, and I know you don't, transgender people have the right to use the toilets which match their gender identity. That's the status quo. You can oppose it, but by doing so, you are removing a right that transgender people currently have. To prevent them from doing so would require a change in the law.

It’s the use of the loaded term ‘privilege’, taken from a US position where being white might indeed give you legal privileges over the non-white. Likewise, I’m old enough to remember when just being male gave male people codified, legal privileges over female people.

Ditto for straight people and non-disabled people. You can often point to the legal privileges; or if not, the removal of that privilege is within living memory.

What becomes divisive is when you apply ‘privilege’ to a situation and a country where being white gives you no legal privileges whatsoever, never has. Then extrapolate from that to insist that a white unemployed working-class person is somehow ‘privileged’ because he’s got a slightly better chance of finding a job than his black neighbour.

Really? Wouldn’t ‘white advantage’ be a better term? And have we got the figures to prove that ‘white advantage’ happens across all classes, both sexes and all races?

Or are we making the same mistake that we did in education, where we assumed the ‘white advantage’ carried across all social classes - only to find that it doesn’t.

Indeed! "Superficially black" - can these people hear themselves?

Do they really have that choice? Does everyone else have that right as well? Why should trans people have rights that other people don't?

Why should trans people have special privileges? And have you ever considered the effects on other people of trans people having those special privileges?

Perhaps you've misunderstood and she's just arguing for trans people to be treated the same as other members of their sex.

And why are you obsessed with toilets?

No one has a right to use facilities designated for the opposite sex.

That’s just daft - it would render everything mixed sex.

That's not a 'right', though. It's a demand.

Male access to unwilling women, then, DadJoke?

Just one example: the ability of transgender people currently have to use the loos of their choice.

Thank you. I am not sure I can agree with you, but if you are aware of anything that supports your view I'd give it a read. It might turn out that like hate crime legislation this is another issue where my viewpoint needs looking at.

Which "trans rights" does she oppose?

RTFT.

2015: www.channel4.com/news/gay-marriage-vote-in-ni-will-not-change-law

2017: theconversation.com/amp/same-sex-couples-in-northern-ireland-hamstrung-in-bid-for-marriage-equality-by-stormont-stalemate-82709

2019:
inews.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/dup-stormont-abortion-gay-marriage-northern-ireland-parliament-353517

So from my cursory Googling the 2019 Westminster vote on same sex marriage and abortion rights for Northern Ireland is definitely not as clear cut as ‘yes/no (& imposed on a nation that you aren’t actually elected to represent)’

Personally I am all for same sex marriage and access to abortion but I also oppose inflammatory meddling in devolved matters (and I also oppose pretending matters are devolved when they really aren’t - *hard Paddington Stare at Nicola Sturgeon).

That’s buffer zones and same sex marriage ticked off the research list.

What else has Badenoch allegedly done that we should probably discuss in the context where it actually occurred before we strap our new Minister for Women and Equalities to the ducking stool?

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Thanks for clarifying and for the link AutumnsCrow

How very rude and offensive of Ben Cohen to use they/them pronouns for Kemi Badenoch throughout that statement - is that not misgendering under Pink News law? Maybe Kemi will report him for a hate incident.

She opposed cordons round abortion centers, opposed abortions at home (introduced during COVID), mocked gay marriage and opposes recognising misogynistic hate crimes. But she opposes trans rights, so I suspect GC people will consider that more important.

I think you inadvertantly make a very good point. The objection is "how it sounds" (to a certain kind of person) not the content.

He probably called her a far-right extremist. Seems to be the ad hominem du jour.

Ben Cohen is having a little tantrum on twitter now, demanding an apology etc. Why on earth he wants to draw more attention to the lies he has printed is baffling to me. His replied are a mix of people pointing this out out and others cheering him on.
Oh and whatever this is from Jane "eggshell skulls" Fae

White privilege isn't specifically divisive. I don't really like the use of the term privilege at all in terms of applied "intersectionality". I think the whole narrative around oppression and privilege is divisive and not a very healthy way to think about oneself or other people. For a while I gave it the benefit of the doubt but I didn't like the way it made me view the world and I didn't like the way it made me think of myself within society. I basically think it's the language of a harmful ideology.

order-order.com/2022/10/26/kemi-sparks-fight-with-pinknews-on-first-day-of-equalities-brief/

Yes, Pink news called her 'anti trans'. archived the article and the tweet

I've just seen a clip on twitter of Kemi responding to a question about 'allegations' Ben Cohen of Pink News is supposed to have made about her. Anyone know what they were? (I mean, I can probably guess - transphobia, literal violence, blah blah - but just wondered what the specifics were.)

Good to get Ben Cohen's reputation as a tiresome twitter irritant explained in the HoC.

(sorry, posting on the go so can't link, but I think it was conservatives for women who put up the clip?)