Kemi Badenoch appointed new Minister for Women and Equalities

And it was pointed out that the screenshot didn't go into enough detail about what the votes were so people went and looked for more information, and we discussed that in depth.

No it's not "fair enough" to come onto a thread and start telling people to fuck off and calling people dumb. You have been abusive and it's not okay.

If you want to have a discussion, read the thread, and engage by making a clear point or an argument. I'm not going to keep engaging with you anymore because it's derailing from the thread.

I haven’t been abusive apart from telling someone to fuck off and calling someone dumb.

Right, so you haven't read the thread. You haven't got time to read the thread so why don't you wait until you do have time, and then you'll see that there was no pile on or defensiveness. There was, however, a call for people to stop simply throwing abuse and actually make arguments or points.

Also no one said that left wing people have a screw loose or are nutters. In your haste, you have misread the posts, or perhaps skimmed over too quickly to pick up on what's been said.

Why don't you come back when you've actually read the thread? And stop the insults and name calling.

I’ve just been reading up on some of the health data disparities, which are perhaps even more shocking than the education disparities.

life expectancy, infant and maternal mortality and suicide rates are all horrifying.

@beastlyslumber i posted a screenshot of her voting record on equalities. Which is appalling as she’s now - believe it or not - an equalities minister. How is that not providing argument? I haven’t been abusive apart from telling someone to fuck off and calling someone dumb. Which is fair enough given the condescension and patronising attitude.

There was a whole discussion on KB's votes on the buffer zones. Someone even posted excerpts from the HoC debate. Pp had various views on it but I think most leaned towards being in favour of the buffer zones, but able to understand some of the complexity and why a vote against wasn't necessarily a vote against women. I don't think you put forward any evidence about what you find "appalling" in her voting record? You could have got involved in the discussion, no one was stopping you @LadyWithLapdog

I can understand you being upset about being called a marxist if you're not one but you've come on here being very aggressive and abusive towards posters so maybe you're right that you should disengage.

@Signalbox i did in fact read the first few pages and the last one; I was at work today so I can’t catch up. I saw KB’s views called monstrous and the pile on and defensiveness from the KB cheerleaders. Then I read two posters talking about left wing people having a loose screw and nuttiness. I pointed that out but it’s boring and I don’t belong on this thread according to your friend of the thread police.

@YouSirNeighMmmm I see people like you claim that intersectionality is an improved and nuanced way of looking at discrimination. To me it seems to be the opposite, reducing humans to algebraic tick boxes of privilege/ non privilege.

I tick most of the "non privileged" boxes and I absolutely hate the concept. I don't want all my relationships viewed from a perspective of constantly grading and being graded on the characteristics I happened to be born with. I'll be honest, the concept just depresses the fuck out of me. What kind of a world to live in.

You clearly haven’t read the thread then. There are numerous posters on here calling KB far-right, right-wing extremist, right wing nut job, having abominable views (or similar). It’s no closer to being an echo chamber as Eddie Izzard is to being a woman.

@MariEllie but your understanding is so limited if that’s what you think it means to lean to the left.

@beastlyslumber i did try and come up with arguments. Such as KB’s appalling voting record on fucking equalities of which she is now a fucking minister. Only to be told its not actually the full picture and maybe it was a protest vote, or maybe she had piles on that day, or other bullshit. How can you continue to engage in discussion when you’re told black is white and white is black? When you feel you’re being gaslit? Then someone calls you a Marxist or whatever and it’s disengagement time.

I don't get to choose which toilets I use (beyond "urgh, let's try elsewhere"). I have to go in the one society expects me to use. Being a good subject, I follow society's rules. Why should the words "I am a (wo)man" override society's rules? That's not equality, that's special treatment.

A male who identifies as transgender has the right under the equality act not to be disadvantaged because of this characteristic. Therefore the transgender male (commonly a "transwoman") can not be denied access to facilities available to other males.

Any male however CAN be denied access to spaces only available to females, because there are exceptions in the equality act to specifically permit sex discrimination under certain circumstances.

That's literally what I just said!

No sorry, it’s the left that never come up with arguments. Just blame everything on class orivilege.

Also you never have to come up with any actual arguments. You can just call people names and it's fine because they're 'right wing' so they deserve it!

I think it’s an echo chamber because it’s a cheerleading thread for KB. Whatever. She’ll disappoint and she’ll be a disaster but perhaps she’ll please a few dozen women on MN.

I sometimes think I would be happier if I were left-wing, mainly because I could pretend that my failures were the result of unfairness or a system stacked against me.

That is certainly a group who many still think its acceptable to show overt racism towards. I've seen it on one or two horrible threads on MN, even.

God how fucking boring. You're not challenging anyone. You're just screaming abuse in people's faces.

If you have an actual point, make it.

Enjoying the echo chamber?

Lol, this thread has multiple views on multiple topics how on earth is it an echo chamber?

IDENTITY issue.
race, sex, gender, age, disability, ethnicity,
RELIGION, personal (worthy of respect) belief,...
To be continued.
Naz Shah (labour MP) expressed it so
so eloquently:
In our PARLIAMENT

@MariEllie whereas you don’t with your “loose screw” comment? With your jumping to conclusions about my politics?

@beastlyslumber are you the thread police? Enjoying the echo chamber? Can’t stand to bs challenges? Can only accept challenge in the agreed format? What’s the point of your constant fucking whining on the ‘feminist’ boards? Don’t you get tired of taking toilets all day long? I pointed out a couple of people being abusive. That was my point. But it’s your side, so let’s overlook it, eh?

Sorry but you just make yourself look foolish with such statements.

Fuck off then @LadyWithLapdog You don't want to discuss anything, you just want to be abusive towards people - what's the point of you? You have literally nothing to offer on this thread.

And may I ask politely this:

What's your skin colour when you everyday
get up, go to shower, have a cuppa, hop on a bus -
WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU then?
Woman/men? Me, me me, me!!!
Who the fuck IS me?
Is me sexual/racial/ethnic/religious?

Are you thinking of yourself WHITE (?)
who the fuck does that, or BLACK.
Please, just tell me.