Kemi Badenoch appointed new Minister for Women and Equalities

Decent men stay out of women's spaces. Violating the boundaries of women and girls is a huge red flag. These male people are, at the absolute best, selfish and entitled. And many are worse.

Goodness it's tedious to have to go over these things with this poster every single time. Polls clearly state that most British women are only happy with males in their toilets and changing rooms if they have full gender reassignment surgery. Women don't want the majority of MTF trans people in female spaces.

Great minds sanluca :D
I've a feeling though that DadJoke will ignore both of us. I made the same point to him about 8 pages back and he ignored me then as well.

Signalbox, you said it much better than I did.

Amazing, these men that just blatantly come out and say women don't matter. And they are not even ashamed of seeing a whole class of human beings as second class with no human rights, they are positively gleeful.

There is nothing legitimate about it. Just as there is no law that says males (including TW) are not entitled to use women's spaces, there is also no law that says they are entitled. Once again it is social convention. TW who insist on placing themselves in women's spaces are demolishing women's boundaries. If you think that is legitimate then that's on you.

You have literally just agreed that it's not illegal. Now do you agree you want to stop trans women entering women's loos?

We want male people to keep social conventions in place that they do not barge into womens toilets. How hard is it to be nice and stick to social conventions when you know your presence hinders others?

It is also not illegal to remove a male person who is in the womens toilets when women complain. So can we also agree that service providers can exercise their right to throw male people out? Badenoch wants to ensure service providers know they have this right, police know that they cannot then arrest the service providers or the women who complained and women know they can complain and be listened to. So upholding the womens right to privacy and dignity, you know, actual basic human rights.

I am suggesting that you do not accept trans women in women's spaces which has been confirmed. I am not trying to persuade you to accept them.

Trans women are already legitimately in those spaces and have been for decades Your acceptance or otherwise has nothing to do with the law. And it's not "females" who don't accept it - it's gender critical people.

Oh ffs do keep up. I confirmed pages and pages back that use of single-sex toilets is largely social convention but that it was open to organisations to make use of the single-sex exceptions to lawfully discriminate against TW and provide a single-sex space where there is a proportionate means to achieve a legitimate aim.

All males (including TW) can lawfully enter female toilets. IT IS SOCIAL CONVENTION that prevents most males from doing so. Most males are decent enough not to want to demolish women's boundaries. For those males that do not care about women's boundaries there is probably not a lot, in reality, that can be done. This doesn't mean that women are happy with this. Many women are not happy sharing intimate spaces with male people.

Yes, wants to protect WOMENS rights, the one good thing she’ll do 🙏🏼

Why’s everyone focusing on the Equality pay act when she’s in favour of so many other ghastly things, why are those being ignored?

This is an eye opener.

If only Labour could just get the one single issue she has got right.

Why do we have a male poster so determined to have females accept males in female single sex spaces?

Copied over from the Sheffield seat selections thread, posted by @Iliveonahill

A conservative MP Lee Anderson has been reported to the police for hate crime. He commented on Eddie and toilets. Will be interesting to see if the police have the time to investigate this.

It’s on Facebook on the MPs page. I don’t agree with most of what he says but in terms of sex and gender he says what a lot of people think.

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Screenshots of the MPs Facebook post, ‘reactions’ to the post, story of the police report, plus Guardian story of the ‘hatecrime’ from yesterday…

www.chad.co.uk/news/people/ashfield-mp-accused-of-clear-cut-hate-crime-for-remarks-about-eddie-izzard-3895758m

www.theguardian.com/culture/2022/oct/26/tory-mp-under-fire-for-transphobic-comments-about-eddie-izzard

Will be interesting to see how this plays out with the new PM/Home Sec/Equalities Sec/Justice Sec etc.

I'm also eagerly awaiting the source that you are going to provide.

Yes this.

And why does DadJoke keep asking this question as if it's a gotcha?

The women here are quite open about wanting to keep males out of their spaces. It's not something that anyone here is ashamed of.

Lots of things aren't illegal. Sitting in the priority seat on public transport when someone else needs it for example. I still don't do it, because I'm not an arsehole.

beastlyslumber · Today 10:20
I had no idea if that, Beastly. If possible please do you have a link based on the proportion of the population? (Not questioning you, just interested.)

Cloglady above has some good links. I got this information from Glen Loury and John McWhorter's podcast. Also Coleman Hughes is another good source of information.

Is that not just because there are more white people in America though? What are the statistics on a population percentage level? (Genuine question)

There are more white people, indeed. However, black people are way more likely to have an interaction with the police than white people are, so you need that number too

Thank you for answering, I’ll look them up/listen.

I also think it’s of limited use. Being male or white doesn’t make you a bad person, and trying to imply that it does just sows division

This. I can see the logic of privilege theory. However talking about it just seems to entrench divisions and set people against each other. That's not helpful.

It also insults many people who do not want to be viewed as victims - in fact viewing them through a lense of victimhood could well be a glass ceiling in its own right.

beastlyslumber · Today 10:15

^YouSirNeighMmmm · Today 10:07
I have no idea. If I were to guess I would suspect that having white privilege makes white people more likely to do stupid shit like reach for their glove box when stopped, whereas black people, fearing a trigger happy racist police (because their parents taught them to), take much more care. White privilege leads some white people into a false sense of security. Just a guess.
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Okay wow. Maybe don't make guesses, because that's fucked up.

Here's a news article about Tony Timpa. He's a white man who died after police pinned him down for 14 minutes, while they laughed and joked. Sounds familiar, I know. But apparently we don't care about what happened to him, for some reason. www.cbsnews.com/news/tony-timpa-disturbing-video-shows-dallas-officers-joking-as-they-restrain-man-who-died/

That is horrific, BeastlySlumber. They actually laugh after someone says “Is he dead?” ( which was clearly showing signs of being).

There has been no news of this here. Probably if there had been it would have been seen as a cynical attempt at ‘what aboutery’ to derail concern for BLM. It shows how complex everything is.

I don’t think you should come on to this board and lie. We will always check out lies about women.

Link?

I await maddy's answer with interest.

maddy68 Can you expand on the Kemi abolishing the equal pay law statement you have just made. Are we talking about removing the minimum wage here or women being paid less than men for doing the same job? Because sorry to break it too you, the latter already happens just covertly I'm afraid.

Oh dear, was dad joke struggling to remain within guidelines?

Shocked.