Kellie-Jay Keen (AKA Posie Parker) appreciation thread

I haven't read the whole thread. But just popping on to say I LOVE Posie Parker.

I have a batch of her stickers (£5 from her website) and pop them in appropriate places when I'm out and about.

Flowers to Possie! She is great at mobilising women to share experience! She might not be a feminist in whatever sense she means not to be, but she centers women on her strugle and that is feminism to me. I don’t care if women centering women have right or left political inclinations. I care for womens rights and allowing, whoever wish so, to colonise our language, spaces and entities is a big NO from me. Left sisters need to open their arms to right sisters on this one. Imho

So much outrage at saying men with guns would protect their wives in the women's toilets (if that was what was even said or meant), but if the man was wearing a dress along with the gun, he'd be welcomed. How do you square that in your head?

If I could be half as brave, a smidgeon as articulate, and a bloody 10th as gorgeous I’d consider myself blessed.
KJK is a natural born leader and communicator, and the world needs more women like her, and of course the indomitable JKR.

All the power to their elbows.

As it is, I’m happy to celebrate KJKs genius and laugh at those so jealous I can see the green from here.
Hope they wipe down their screens when they log off… maybe they should just go ‘touch some grass’ 😂

I don't care what she did or didn't say about guns ffs. I'm not interested in policing her every word. She's a brilliant warrior for women's and children's rights and she takes no prisoners. I am so glad she's on our side.

Otherwise you are Repeating false information and deliberate bad faith interpretation

a bit got chopped

And yet, I did not say that I agreed with her. I was correcting the falsehood that you seem all too happy to keep spreading.

Plus you have made a leap because of your own prejudice. There is a difference in using it as a descriptor for men who are inclined to protect their families by carrying a gun and saying specifically ‘carry a gun in that toilet and use it to intimidate other males using that toilet’.

The very point she is highlighting is ‘what is the difference!’ Is there a special male badge that males need to wear to be able to use the toilet without causing distress to females who don’t want any male over a certain age there? No.

No difference in a male entering to protect his family vs a male who has self identified as a woman and used the female toilets.

How in the actual fuck is that ok?
How the actual fuck is it ok for any male over about 10 to be using a female toilet?

Can you hear yourself?

Yes. I can. I will be very happy to go through what I just said in my post above and point out where you seem to be lacking comprehension.

Considering the years of posts where we have interacted, I suspect that your question is as performative as your then hyped up outrage at something I have not said.

I don’t agree with her that causing more distress to women and girls using the toilets is acceptable to keep them safe.

If you are going to state publicly that you are upset at something she has done, which you are free to do, then make sure you have the facts right. Repeating false information and deliberate bad faith interpretation

However, while I don’t agree with her, I also am an adult and can readily accept that a) people make off the cuff remarks on a live stream that they haven’t thought through. I have done this myself. And b) even if she said this, I am able to weigh it against what else she does and judge that she is still worthy of support or not. Because that is adult thinking and not absolutism.

Though you're fine with any men in the toilets with guns just in case to protect us poor women?!

Again, you have misrepresented my post. Where have I said specifically that I thought this was a good idea?

Happy to wait for you to find the exact words that led you to draw that conclusion.

Fuck that, I know which I'd feel less safer with and clue it's the so called protectors of the ladies with their guns!

So do you or do you not support any male using the female toilet because they want to? Forget the ‘look at the squirrel’ tactics.

Yes or no?

Are you ok for any male who wants to use the female toilet to use the female toilet?

Then, if not any, which ones and how do you personally assess whether they have that bar for inclusion or not.

Cop on a bit Blimey

I have no idea what that even means and can’t be arsed to look it up. But seems to be just a bit more performative outrage without addressing the facts. Something I judge that you do often.

I love how she never gets rattled when those opposing her start getting stressed and angry, it's hilarious to watch her composure whilst they're frothing at the mouth. Pure class.

I appreciate her most for refusing to collude in a lie.

This.

And I don't give an actual shit if blimey makes me sound a bit Scooby Doo or jolly hockey sticks before anyone says to detract.
Men in the toilets with guns, that's ok as they're "protecting"
Not trans women though because we see them as men!
Men we think are actual men though, bring your guns in the bogs!
You couldn't make this shit up

Why don’t you go and listen to it yourself then
I have. .
She said something to the effect that those men who carry guns, if they are concerned for their wives and daughters should instead go into the toilets as male and be in there to protect their wives and daughters. And declare themselves women if asked why they are there.
How in the actual fuck is that ok?
Can you hear yourself?;
I mean, you don't want a trans woman in the toilets just in case.
Though you're fine with any men in the toilets with guns just in case to protect us poor women?!
Fuck that, I know which I'd feel less safer with and clue it's the so called protectors of the ladies with their guns!
Cop on a bit Blimey

Why don’t you go and listen to it yourself then .

I am only on my phone, but happy to search it out tomorrow if you want.

She said something to the effect that those men who carry guns, if they are concerned for their wives and daughters should instead go into the toilets as male and be in there to protect their wives and daughters. And declare themselves women if asked why they are there.

Not a call to carry guns in there. Unless you are determined to make that extrapolation in the face it being used as a call out to the ‘type of male willing go and protect their family by carrying a gun.’

Of course, those who want to spin it in the worst way keep misrepresenting what was actually said.

Because if you actually listened to what she said, she didn’t actually say this. You have been on threads where this has been discussed before.
Have I?
I don't think I have.
She did say she wanted "men who pack" (ie, carry guns,) to police the toilets.
If I'm mistaken, what exactly did she mean then?

Because if you actually listened to what she said, she didn’t actually say this. You have been on threads where this has been discussed before.

I am sure I can find a transcript I posted at the time. I can post it if I find it and you want to see it . It is a bad faith interpretation as has been said repeatedly.

Would you like us to go through it line by line ? Happy to do so if it shuts this ridiculous take down yet again.

At least be honest that you are continuing to perpetuate a bad faith interpretation.

Outing! Oh that is funny. Some women who say they are men can be tricky to spot, though they often look like 12 year old boys if they have been on puberty stoppers. But a man is always a man who does not pass as a woman. Particularly those middle aged men who have certain desires. On the internet it is easier to pass with filters etc. but in really life, just the way men walk is enough to put them. (That is because of biology by the way).

Kelly Jay is formidable, when people say she is stunning and brave they mean it.

While I agree nobody should point out to employers or anyone else that someone is Trans or judge/treat anyone differently purely because they present in a way typical of the way people of the opposite sex present, “outing” is unnecessary anyway in around 99% of cases because it’s very obvious!

Also, that time when she said that 'men with guns' should be protecting toilets that we're legally allowed to use - that was super
I've never understood how people seemed to be OK with that.

I loved it when she stated that she wanted her followers to out trans people who work in the NHS and police to her - it was so great when I had to tell my manager and she suggested talking to the police.

Also, that time when she said that 'men with guns' should be protecting toilets that we're legally allowed to use - that was super

Also when she invited Sophie wossname, the right wing agitator and her friends in Tommy Robinson's latest crew, that was just amazing

Perhaps when she states that we're all perverts wanting to abuse kids - that so much bring me back to the late 80's / 90's and having delightful people tell people like me the same.

..and who can forget the time when she went to Washington DC to harass a trans woman doing her job..incredible!

"Agreeing that water is wet, the sun is hot, and the earth isn't flat isn't exactly comparable though, is it?
As in agreeing on those things doesn't endanger the rights of LGBT people which I'm fairly certain he wasn't a massive fan of looking after their rights to put it mildly.
Agreeing with him on the latter is the dangerous territory bit, not that water is wet etc but you probably already knew that."

In what way is agreeing that humans can not change sex not comparable to other factual statements?

In what way does thinking that humans can not change sex endanger the rights of LGBT people? Many LGBT people agree with us on this fact too.

Please show any posts on here where anyone has said that Hitler's treatment of any group is acceptable. No one here agrees with that. It still doesn't change the fact that he would have agreed with us on many truthful statements. Just like 99% of the population do.

Finally, you have no idea what I do or do not know so don't presume you do.

Agreeing that water is wet, the sun is hot, and the earth isn't flat isn't exactly comparable though, is it?
As in agreeing on those things doesn't endanger the rights of LGBT people which I'm fairly certain he wasn't a massive fan of looking after their rights to put it mildly.
Agreeing with him on the latter is the dangerous territory bit, not that water is wet etc but you probably already knew that.

She gets the job done and appeals to the woman in the street.
She calls a man a man.
She makes any TRA she goes up against look like a raving fool.

Reminds me I need to buy a T-shirt.

Back to KJK. She actually is stunning and brave. As PP have said, she speaks plainly about this issue and appeals to many women of all walks of life. I'm glad to stand with her on this.