Kellie-Jay Keen (AKA Posie Parker) appreciation thread

I thoroughly enjoyed her work on this one putting Daniel in his place. She speaks so passionately and makes no apology for her belief in speaking the truth.

Less well-known companion piece to those two, filmed somewhere in between them - her interviewing them, where they explain their changes in thinking:

I found the "Posie's New Friends" one 😂

And while I'm here . . . her two interviews with Triggernometry are each excellent in their own right but are also interesting for how she, Francis Foster and Konstantin Kisin have all moved on in their thinking in the intervening period.

"Posie Parker: "Trans Women Aren't Women"
17 Nov 2019

"Posie Parker: Trans Women Aren't Women - Part 2"
3 Oct 2021

Oh! It might well be on Twitter, but I'm not on that, I'm talking about the threads currently on here.

Muppet after muppet desperately trying to smear PP by going after just about every irrelevant thing you can think of. But never addressing her content, funnily enough.

That's Kellie Jay doing what she does best. Not being bloody sidetracked by a slippery interviewer. Wouldn't answer her Staniland question, would he?

He was obviously completely out of his depth, and her instincts for the weak gazelle are top-notch. And she brought him down.

Although I enjoy these clips of women running rings around men, I also find it sightly depressing how they get these jobs given their mediocrity. Despite being completely wrong about everything, and her catching him out on just about all his slip ups, he couldn't disguise his condescension. Woefully misplaced though it was.

'First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.'

Dear god, that James Max clip! 🤦🏻‍♂️ He knows NOTHING about any of this, but carries on mansplaining like his life depends on it anyway!

This will always be my favourite! Absolute classic.

Oooo! Datun I have missed all that! Twitter going apeshit, I presume? 😂

While I am here . . .

Kellie Jay destroys James Max

Just bumping this to say what a brave woman Kellie Jay is. And, if all the demented posts and threads about her plumber's aunt's, ex-husband's, next door neighbour's dog is a bigot, is anything to go by, she is being more effective than she ever dreamed.

Slapped the laptop shut twice

This is my favourite clip. Interview on GB news. The other woman slapped her laptop twice because she had no arguements against KJK!

So have I! Seeing armed men protecting women's rights speak is amazing, isn't it?

And seeing a young girl having Bear Mace sprayed at her, and a 57 year old women with broken fingers is totally inspirational!

Well done PP for setting this tour up. What will she do next?

"I appreciate KJK for repeatedly bringing the attention back to the children and teenagers who are growing up in this peculiar political climate, absorbing societal messages from multiple directions that chip away and self esteem and inflame the natural discomfort of puberty until it become self hatred and self harm.

One of my kids was transed by school without informing us, and the education unions and the left wing political parties are useless.

I went to see my Labour MP (who is former Shadow Minister for Women and Equalities AND former Shadow Secretary of State for Education and who personally knows my family well) and she made all the right noises to my face but refuses to say boo to a goose about any of it publicly.

KJK gives ordinary women strength to speak for themselves when our political representation fails us."

Devastating! I am so sorry to hear that the School - and then Labour politicians - failed you and your child and betrayed your trust!

It is easy to see why trans activists have elbowed their way into this thread, ignoring the title and the OP.

However, every "feminist" coming here to attack KJK, trying to undermine her advocacy with slurs and false accusations needs to think about their motivations and the impact.

Try having as much respect for parents as you have for transwidows before you come here to diss KJK.

Acknowledge that KJK has built a grass-roots movement of ordinary women and has inspired others across the globe, where others have put political affiliations above everything else.

KJK has been outstandingly successful - which is also why she is so hated by some. This is not just because she has an effective media presence and is a brilliant strategist but because she respects ordinary women and gives them a voice on this issue, whatever their party politics or none.

To the detractors - maybe you have issues with a handful of things, true things not massively exaggerated and/or misrepresented things, but this is a thread where we are recognising the 99% of things that we can all agree on.

To everyone else - what are your favourite KJK appearances?

I'll start with a blast from the past!

Posie Parker makes a fool of baby Shipman.... on Sky News

Excellent comment Helleofabore

As in right wing certainly aren't likely to give as much as a shit about "allowing" a woman an abortion

And what do you define as ‘right wing’? I think you will find that there are ‘right wing’ women who care just as much about feminist issues as you do and even about abortion issues.

Or are you talking about religious conservatives which may or may not be ‘right’ wing.

So what do you call ‘right wing’ here in the UK? Or are you using a sleight of hand and referring to ‘far right’ but categorising it all as ‘right’ for dramatic effect?

Which creates a far more polarised population than the reality would show?

I think it does matter if you're so called left or right wing.

Extreme right wing certainly don't seem to give a shit about women having freedom and bodily autonomy and I'm not about to get on board with that.

And the same can be said about extreme left now too. That the effect of depriving females from having single sex spaces is absolutely not giving a ‘shit about women having freedom and bodily autonomy’, yet you seem to be well on board with that.

At the moment the topic may be fitting into a horseshoe model of extreme politics.

Using oversimplified ‘left’ or ‘right’ wing comparisons are becoming meaningless. And makes those who try to use it to polarise conversations like this appear to lack critical thinking on the topic.

ToGanymedeAndTitan I feel the major problem you have with Kelly, is simply that she exercises her right to think and act in a way most men do without thinking about it.
As to guns. Don't peace keeping forces, have guns ? I am no fan of guns either but unfortunately we live in the real world not a fairy tale, or should and those peace keepers would be pretty useless without them wouldn't they?
I will add that left wing regimes seem to have/had no problem using weapons, violence for their cause. (Just Google under Mass killings under communist regimes to see that) I can't help thinking of those lovely pink baseball bats /gun pictures, death, rape threats etc by a certain group that your left love. Yet you and others like you complain about Kelly just for being a woman daring to think and speak differently to patriarchal societal expectation of women, "to be kind" and put men skirted or otherwise first.
I personally admire her for not doing that and putting women's wellbeing and safety first.

I agree, Whatthechicken.

But who were theself-styled ‘feminists’ who accused her of transphobia? There’s nothing feminist about ordering women to pretend they think men are women because we mustn’t hurt male feelings. I’m tired of misogynists claiming to be feminist. Give me honest speakers like Posie any day.

As you know, the US military official was defending a mass killing by the invading US army. There was no question of those people having lost, or sacrificed, one right in order to protect another. The action was not intended for their benefit.

I don’t care if women centering women have right or left political inclinations.
I do
As in right wing certainly aren't likely to give as much as a shit about "allowing" a woman an abortion
I think it does matter if you're so called left or right wing.
Extreme right wing certainly don't seem to give a shit about women having freedom and bodily autonomy and I'm not about to get on board with that.

First met Posie at the Speakers' Corner she held in Nottingham. Threatened with arrest at Manchester, attacked by "Get in the sea" man as a steward in Bristol. She is amazing, I am the billboard, proud to be part of it. At the WPUK event in Manchester I felt hectored; Standing For Women is open mic for women to speak freely, not be spoken at. Have met wonderful women through it and think she's marvellous.

👍🏻

I pop her stickers on postcards and send to MPs to say thank you (views I agree with) and to those MPs who I don't agree with.
The Famous Artist Birdy Rose has some great stickers for when talking about chikdren, they say puberty is not a medical condition. I like sending them on postcards too.

Like that GB news interview she did and the other guest threw her rattle out twice by actually ending the Zoom call (twice). Hilarious! But Kelly Jay was as cool as cucumber.