Kellie-Jay Keen (AKA Posie Parker) appreciation thread

Again. There is a difference between 'free speech' and posting misrepresentation and lies. If someone has something to add that is based on facts and not guilt by association and partial truths or lies and can support it, why wouldn't they be welcome to post on threads?

I've spoke to quite a few of you KJK fans before and most of you were Tories and actually transphobic instead of genuinely concerned about women and girls' safe spaces.
Bindel and Women's Place got the measure of Posie very early on. Maybe because they are real working class feminists who are not using the very real fears of women and girls concerned about gender ideology and the erosion of women's rights to build the fascist tendency and make Posie plenty of dosh. Not too smart eh ?

Royal Family threads getting boring at the moment?

Comment is free but facts are sacred innit?

if you say things that just aren’t true people will notice (here at least)

I'm pretty clear you have no concept of the idea of free speech!

So if someone posted an appreciation thread for a surgeon carrying out gender affirmation surgery here, you, and all other GC feminists on these boards, would presumably let others crack on with that appreciation?

Or would you be hypocritical and maybe post something?

Or the concept of free speech, either for that matter.

I'm not sure you understand the concept of an appreciation thread.

Why conflate 'freedom of speech' with allowing misrepresentation and lies?

But I and others have encouraged the poster to keep posting, preferably with some actual engagement rather than the repeated lies and misrepresentations. Or start their own thread.

There was a thread on aibu the other day

Something like 'does everyone like their Samsung telly'

2nd post on was 'I don't have a telly'

I mean why? What's the point?

How can anyone challenge my appreciation of KJK?

Ok so your version of free speech means nobody gets to challenge content in threads if you don't happen to like it.

Riiiiiight.

Someone has suggested that ELO actually start their own thread. Can't be more pro free speech than that.

free speech doesn't mean you approve of the derailing of an appreciation thread with absolute drivel.

I though GC feminists were largely pro freedom of speech?

Why so many attempts to shut it down on this thread?

Hypocrisy much?

I read your OP in one of your threads that you were in advertising for 25 years! So, I guess you work on the principle that if you repeat something enough times that you will eventually convince someone.

That's obviously a typo. I think ELO meant they have been watching adverts for 25 years.

Rather Rufus. Rather!!

Advertising you say helle

But the language of marketing has also coined its own words. Where an appropriate noun wasn't available, the advertising industry would often make one up

I recommend any reader, and you particularly, use google. And see for themselves the wide range of usage for the term. It really does cover many disciplines.

And yet, just because you personally don't understand when gatekeeping is happening to you so you can use the term effectively, doesn't also mean others don't understand and will use the term.

You seem to be well stuck in a rut with repeating "holocaust deniers, anti abortionists". (I see you have started repeating US Social conservatives and now also anti-LGB bods too)

I read your OP in one of your threads that you were in advertising for 25 years! So, I guess you work on the principle that if you repeat something enough times that you will eventually convince someone.

"Yes, there’s some logic in attacking accusations of “guilt by association”. But this isn’t an undergrad seminar, it’s real world politics. The company you keep has a significant effect on your appeal."

And there is both the sleight of hand dishonesty and the very tight purity spiral polarisation.

"But this isn’t an undergrad seminar, it’s real world politics."

You obviously haven't actually thought this through.

Real world politics is ALL about presenting to a wide range of people, even those you disagree with.

Real world politics means working on committees with people you don't agree with on many, if any things, but want to make sure of an outcome that you can live with.

Real world politics means having photos taken with people you abhor.

"The company you keep has a significant effect on your appeal"

The 'company' you keep. Who is she 'keeping company with'? You mean friends? Who are her 'friends'? Do you not have friends and family you disagree with but still love? Well... adulting is very hard, we know.

Or do you mean being seen at the same conferences or events with? Do you believe that politicians never attend a conference that they disagree with the organisers on to present an alternative view? Do you believe that politicians only ever give interviews to channels that fit the purity they desire to be associated with?

Your example is quite something.

You are either now declaring that KJK is best friends with holocaust deniers,

or

you are trying to tell us that politicians don't ever appear on a program, an event or a media channel unless everything about those programs and events and media (organisers, audience and other speakers) 100% fit all their beliefs.

or

you really don't have much real life experience outside a very curated bubble.

It tookme so long to type that everyone beat me to it

I really think you should give this one up, the more you protest the more it sounds like you just didn't know what gatekeeping means.

Verb or no, you know what it means

Whether you feel a word is being used incorrectly as a verb or not doesnt affect the intention

If someone on here said they were feministing or womanning wrong it doesn't take a genius to work out what they mean

She’s either incredibly dumb, incompetent or desperate

Haha!! You're actually that typing on a Posie Parker appreciation thread 😆

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What puzzles me is if someone - like “Posie” - wants to communicate this to as many people as possible, why would they limit their appeal by keeping such terrible company.

Yes, her only friends are Nazis. FFS.

I'm not surprised that you can spout such shite, you're ignorance is something to behold, as you've shown by not having heard of gatekeeping.

Oh don't be ridiculous, ELO. It's commonly used, everyone knows what it means. You've not personally come across it, you're hardly a representative sample of anything.

The point of debate was “whether to gatekeep” is a commonly used verb.

You haven’t demonstrated it is.

Most people are easily able to judge KJK's motivations by listening to her words and observing her actions. She is transparent in what she says and does.

The desperate attempts to smear her as a fascist just wont work as long as people can tune in to one of her interviews or livestreams or go to one of her events.

It's also extremely insulting to the brave women who speak at her events (some of whom have been assaulted by TRAs) to tell them they are supporting fascism. Well it would be insulting if it weren't so obviously a load of nonsense.

You are really crossing into absurd territory now.

Creating irrelevant examples of its use or that are relevant but people would not use the term specifically, doesn’t negate its relevant usage.

And if you haven’t seen it in business and politics, perhaps it says more about your positions not being all that relevant to setting strategies for business growth or political influence, sales, or even just getting through to anyone with information you want.

Or you haven’t rung through to a call centre where the person answering your call cannot deviate from the strict script and tells you that ‘no, you cannot speak to anyone else’.

Never rung someone’s personal assistant and got a polite no? Or a ‘I’ll pass the message on’ but never got a call back. Never had a colleague who didn’t really include you in their project?

Gosh! You must have lived a very charmed life if you have never experienced gatekeeping in real life.

And yet, a simple google search will show its wide usage.