Kellie-Jay Keen (AKA Posie Parker) appreciation thread

See comparison to Annika Rice upthread!

Maybe we could start dropping Posie off via helicopter? Coming down a rope ladder would be an interesting entrance and useful for avoiding protestors?

twitter.com/AnnekaRice/status/1442229305828798465/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1442229305828798465&currentTweetUser=AnnekaRice

No darling. There's such a thing as verifiable fact. If someone claims that KJK is a holocaust denier, they need to support that claim with evidence. If they can't, then it's a lie.

citywire.com/americas/news/hsbc-private-banks-top-gatekeeper-handed-expanded-role/a1475196

'HSBC Private Bank's top gatekeeper handed expanded role'

Can we get back to the point of the thread now, please?

citywire.com/americas/news/senior-hsbc-private-bank-gatekeeper-exits-after-15-years/a2404855

'Senior HSBC Private Bank gatekeeper exits after 15 years'

“I gatekeep the diversity policy at HSBC” said no one ever.

Tell that to Reshma Moloo.

'HSBC Private Bank has hired ex-Citi Private Bank gatekeeper Reshma Moloo in a wider move to create 10 new roles to strengthen its funds and ETFs coverage.'

citywire.com/pro-buyer/news/ex-citi-pb-gatekeeper-resurfaces-at-hsbc-private-bank/a1166704

(talking to anyone who stands still long enough to hear)

I'm now pondering if that condition is necessary, how fast-moving she is, and whether the jumpsuits are to maintain speed with a moving target.

I think it might be doofus day in East London

Be Kind, Helle!
ELO is just here to give Posie some constructive criticism in order to improve the GC political strategy!

it’s not necessary, of course, because GC isn’t one thing and various people are engaging in various strategies so WPUK are already doing it ELO’s preferred way (lefty purity) while Posie is doing things her way (talking to anyone who stands still long enough to hear) and indeed various other grassroots orgs are developing their own strategies, some feminist, eg FPFW and some materialist eg Sex Matters and some child safeguarding focused eg Safe Schools Alliance and some LGB focused eg the Gay Men’s Network and Get the L Out! Just a handful of examples of the many out there.

Still, it is very generous of ELO to offer Posie free advice, even tho ELO is well aware Posie would tell him/her/xer/per/them to cock right off.

But the conferences where she is appearing with far right/social conservative/anti abortion/anti LGB speakers

Such as? I'm actually drawing a blank here. She doesn't really do conferences at all, preferring to do her own public-square campaigning.

I can't actually remember seeing her at one since the Jam Jar event at Bristol, where the speakers were the complete opposite.

(Sticking in the link because I love it - it's a great bit of history, and you've got the epic impromptu Magdalen Berns appearance at 1:54).

Anyone else got any links to anything more recent?

its a dumb, self defeating political strategy.

Someone who really thinks their opponent is using a dumb, self-defeating political strategy wouldn't spend all their time explaining how dumb and self-defeating it was.

Unless their own strategy was incredibly dumb and self-defeating. Therefore if her strategy is dumb and self-defeating, so is yours, so you're the last person to listen to with strategic advice on how to change it.

And yet it seems to work rather effectively 🤔

Also it is okay to talk to and associate with people who have different opinions to you on a variety of topics. I don’t know how any society, community or family would function without dialogue and associations between people who have different opinions.

I don't think at this stage your commentary on political strategy is particularly credible.

But the conferences where she is appearing with far right/social conservative/anti abortion/anti LGB speakers aren’t engaging with diverse audiences at all. She is preaching to the converted, which is why she is invited. And the audiences she speaks to are, for the most part, small.

Appearing alongside these types is self defeating. This is because to have any meaningful effect she will have to appeal to a broad audience and these associations means most mainstream media won’t touch her with a barge pole, and she’s relegated to low-audience bottom feeders like GB News.

its a dumb, self defeating political strategy.

“I gatekeep the diversity policy at HSBC” said no one ever.

Actually, they very well could do!

Are you so lacking in how organisations actually work that you don't understand the relevance of this example you just posted.

If someone is actually making the decisions about what to have in the policy or not, THEY ARE GATEKEEPING THE POLICY.

They may or may not say it. It is more likely that they will be accused of it.

Really, stop with the fuckwittery.

FFS. I have my Marketing text book right here in front of me from 1991. It discusses 'gatekeeping' under the chapters about Industrial Buying Processes and communicating to opinion leaders. That is just one text book.

I also remember it discussed rather a lot in my Organisational Behaviour unit. And I remember it discussed very clearly in the sales theory courses and practical courses. And in business strategy unit.

You are absolutely talking bollocks when you say It’s not - and certainly not in business, contrary to what has been suggested upthread.

Look.... here ... very first google entry regarding 'marketing'

www.indeed.com/career-advice/career-development/gatekeeper-marketing

I know you said you worked in advertising ELO but I cannot believe it when you come out with absolute bollocks like this. Or were you only ever involved in the creation side and NEVER actually on the business side of Advertising?

You really could have just googled, yet didn't seem to be able to.

I am quite sure that readers did and saw your fuckwittery for what it is.

I only highlighted it because you have continued with the same kind of fuckwittery on this thread too. The fuckwittery of just typing 'holocaust denial' and believing that anyone will actually believe you.

So what are the lies that have been said about KJK?

And I suppose it's you/ GC feminists in general that get to determine what is a fact, what is opinion, what is truth, what Is lies? Am I right?

Of course some people will invent the most absurd straw squirrels to detract from the point of the thread.

You must know this is nonsense.

What would it be, if not a verb? You can't really use it as a noun, can you? It's not an adjective or an adverb or a preposition or a conjunction.

Here's a dictionary definition for you:

gatekeep
verb

1. To limit (sometimes manipulatively, rather than directly) how much role another party, often a spouse, has in some task; for example, to limit how much one's husband can raise one's children
2. To control or limit access to something

😂you've got to admire that, on some level!

Really, Marg, you are a billy of the very silliest variety!

The debate I opened up wasn’t about what it means. You can scroll back and see for yourself.

It was about whether “to gatekeep” is commonly used - i.e. as a verb.

It’s not - and certainly not in business, contrary to what has been suggested upthread.

“I gatekeep the diversity policy at HSBC” said no one ever.

What do you think free speech is @suggestionsplease1 ? It's not the right to say anything you like unchallenged. If you want to speak, expect to be challenged and have to defend your speech.

If people want to come onto an appreciation thread and tell lies about the subject of the thread, then they can't honestly expect that to go unchallenged. Of course they're going to be asked to defend their speech, bring evidence, build a coherent argument, etc. And of course people are going to question their motivations in commenting off topic in this thread, rather than starting a thread of their own.

LOL. I think you'll find that even incredibly annoying people who tell lies and insult others are allowed to speak on these boards. The only thing TRAs ever get reported for is transphobia, racism or personal attacks.

It's hardly shutting down free speech to ask people to take their hatred to a different thread.

I think we’d probably just point out this was unlikely to be an efficient board for such a post?

Much tidier to mod-move it to the LGBT Parents section (although MN might have concerns that it was advertising-by-subterfuge and remove it, which would be their right).

Such a thread would be likely to gain a more appropriate audience over on one of the two transgender uk-specific subreddits or the transgender surgeries sub, or one of the many transgender topic Facebook groups or forums (such as Susan’s Place or TS Angels).

HTH!

Good lord.

The denial of free speech is not women objecting to an oddly repetitive poster blurting out 'Holocaust denier' every other post! 😁

honestly. These people.

This.