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Keir Starmer and misgendering

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Athenajm80 · 24/10/2022 21:47

I read something in Twitter that KS has said if he gets elected then he will make misgendering a crime. I was walking home so didn't read the whole article and typically can't find the tweet again.

I am confused about how that would work considering being GC is a protected belief in law. Has anyone heard more about this and can try to explain how it would work? Would he revoke GC being protected? Can he do that?

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FemaleAndLearning · 24/10/2022 23:51

If we didn't have families to take care of think how much we could get done in prison in our free time? There would be whole wings of TERFs and we could radicalise the rest of the prison population to spread the word on release. How long in prison would I get for aggravated misgendering? As a first time offender would I need to do it to several people in order to ensure I get a prison sentence. Could I just do it online or would I need to do it in person? Gosh this is just so messed up (insert your own expletive).
Personally I will not use wrong sex pronouns or any of the other nonsense pronouns. I will happily use the person's new name. I think many of us probably would do the same. It is very easy to have a conversation in the presence of someone and not use pronouns. It is also fairly easy to write an email without pronouns by reordering sentences.

Mollyollydolly · 24/10/2022 23:23

And here's an article from Joan Smith on his speech.
unherd.com/thepost/what-keir-starmer-told-pink-news-is-a-sign-of-things-to-come/

Athenajm80 · 24/10/2022 23:22

I have found quoted bits and it appears that he said he'd make "all LGBT hate crime an aggravated offence", so seemingly not as bad as reported, unless you look at recent arrests when TRAs have had their feelings hurt.

I do think hate crimes (actual abuse, violence, threats etc) should be treated very seriously, but a crime cause someone gets offended? That's not a hate crime to me. Sticks and stones and all that.

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Mollyollydolly · 24/10/2022 23:20

Here's the 'highlights' of what he said. Hate crime laws featured .. what does he mean? No idea, he never says what he means. Sounds a lot like Sturgeon though.
twitter.com/PinkNews/status/1582802682196406272

Athenajm80 · 24/10/2022 23:09

I know a lot of Twitter is bollocks, I'm not stupid 😁 I'm sure this was a Labour MP who said it, not Rosie D though.

Thanks for those saying it was in a Pink News talk, I'll have a look.

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Justme56 · 24/10/2022 23:05

I wonder how it will work? How many genders exactly are there according to Stonewall 60 , 100, more. How are they going to monitor all those genders for misgendering and what about all those pronouns?

lannistunut · 24/10/2022 22:42

Redshoeblueshoe · 24/10/2022 22:39

His speech at Pink News is available for everyone to watch.

Did he say he would make it a crime??

Redshoeblueshoe · 24/10/2022 22:39

His speech at Pink News is available for everyone to watch.

lannistunut · 24/10/2022 22:36

donquixotedelamancha · 24/10/2022 22:23

This isn't a Labour policy.
Most of what you read on twitter is nonsense.

This.

There are some who believe everything they read, this is getting like the Brexit vote all over again.

nilsmousehammer · 24/10/2022 22:30

I believe he said it at a Pink News conference.

Fuck knows what the man would do once in power, he hasn't the guts to say it and stand behind it, but that was rampant stupidity. Considering how totally fucked off the entire electorate is right now with politicians, he could blow power before even walking through the door of number 10 with such a bloody awful comment.

"I will criminalise people for not lying on command to placate a very small number of males desperate to control women".

Fuck off Kier. And take your out of touch raving looney party with you. The last thing this mess of a country needs is more arrogant, ridiculous twattery. Although if he pushes this, I suspect he will successfully smash any chance for the TQ+ population of this quietly settling down in any win-win way. He will force it to the point of women having no option but to shout from every rooftop the sex of the people involved.

Run the country? I wouldn't let that idiot run a lemonade stand.

Asdavaluesausage · 24/10/2022 22:30

donquixotedelamancha · 24/10/2022 22:21

This isn't a Labour policy. Most of what you read on twitter is nonsense.

Well I’m still waiting for him to explain how he’s going to ‘ modernise the GRA whilst still upholding womens rights to single sex spaces’. His words at the Pink news awards. If you think Labour are not going to bring in self ID you’re a fool.

donquixotedelamancha · 24/10/2022 22:23

This isn't a Labour policy.
Most of what you read on twitter is nonsense.

donquixotedelamancha · 24/10/2022 22:21

This isn't a Labour policy. Most of what you read on twitter is nonsense.

Theimpossiblegirl · 24/10/2022 22:07

This is what could keep the Tories in. I despair, I really do.

Mollyollydolly · 24/10/2022 22:06

He'll need a bigger prison.

BorgQueen · 24/10/2022 21:57

They could try but it would be unworkable, the courts/cells would be overrun, although I suppose the police could try scaring Women into accepting a caution.
Now that Rosie has come out publicly and said she will never call Izzard ‘she’, I’d say it was highly unlikely though. Would Starmer really turn her into a criminal?

Crouton19 · 24/10/2022 21:50

I have a name which could be male or female and get misgendered several times a week over email. This policy is an absolutely ludicrous idea and will be a waste of police time and/or impossible to enforce.

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