Mordaunt out, Sunak in: a good result (I hope)

It’s almost like you have no idea whatsoever of the ‘brutal’ budget that’s just about to be unleashed. Have even taken a cursory look at his policy?

We have a guaranteed recession to now deal with, a slash and burn to all funding including the NHS, forget about your energy support or support of any kind.
It’s going to be fucking ‘eye watering’ according to Sunaks OWN team, so whilst it’s nice you can now ‘breathe’ one suspects you are just one of the millions entirely unprepared for the reality of team Sunak.

By all means, feel free to ignore the female PM who was in power for 11 years!

No, what’s hilarious is that the best Labour can offer is a leader afraid to say a woman has a cervix and EI in your nan’s frock who claims to be in girl mode some of the time…

At least it would be hilarious if it wasn’t so desperately awful for women and girls 😟

I agree.

The last thing Labour want right now is to win responsibility for fixing the economic shitshow.

TBH, I think if there was a GE today and Labour won, they would not be in a position to do much that is different with the economy. There isn't money there, and borrowing isn't an option.

Strategically it is probably better for Labour for RS to deal with it now.

This is hilarious the men in suits removed all those woman, pretty quickly in the case of May and Truss

I agree Op, I’m pleased.

Nobody is cheering. We've all got bills to pay and we're not all loaded. I'm not anyway. I just think he's the best of a bad lot, we need stability or I wont even have a pension to claim next year at the rate we're going.

No thanks to a GE. More instability and time out

The markets have improved, we need that foundation at least

I was pleased

Especially with all the winding up of they’ve got the votes going on

There seems to be quite a few comments that Sunak's cabinet will need to embrace politicians from across the wings of the party and look for aptitude and tenacity in those appointed. The backing of both Kemi and Suella - both on the right of the party - was seen as an important switch from Boris to Rishi and both of them (Kemi and Suella) are very pro-women's rights and not afraid to speak out.

I definitely can't get worked up about the needing a GE to choose the PM line I've seen trotted out. We do not have such a system. You need to be a party member to choose the leader. The electorate then either likes who's chosen or they don't (among other influencing factors).

Seems like this whole agenda grew legs with the GRA (Labour esp Lammy) and then got a turbo boost under the Tory/LD coalition. It's clear no one close to power or decision making (Tories and LDs) looked at it hard enough. Or that they did and waved it through anyway (Mordaunt seems to appear around this time: www.conservativesforwomen.org/penny-mordaunt-helped-to-push-gender-ideology-out-across-every-institution-in-the-uk).

Once we - the electorate (or parts of it) - started to cotton on, it seems like the approach was to ignore it or treat it as a side issue. But we all persisted. And to be fair to the Tories, they've at least hosted a debate and a range of views on it.

It's now clear that the harms are real and not existential. Even so, Sunak could have not addressed it in the summer or addressed it only in the safe, narrow sense of transing minors, subject to a review. He didn't. He went wider than that - I assume having had a crash course from an advisor.

There's quite a list of Tories who are talking about it. They could either ignore it or support it with daft placards, like Labour. Or propose policies that silence their own like the Greens and the LDs. Instead we're in the topsy turvy situation where the Opposition - to whom this should have been a fucking gift - have been cheering on an ideology that harms children and women, and makes excuses for sex offenders to get out sooner and pose a danger to the public.

Meanwhile, the current government (which is in a total tailspin) looks more likely than not, to be poised to address it. Which will mean the hard truth that it happened on their watch.

Sunak could ignore it. He's so rich, it's unlikely to ever affect him or his girls. But that isn't what's been happening.

Any government is going to have to make cuts. We'd arguably be making fewer of them if the Opposition had done its job and questioned lockdown. Again, that was down to the Tories being much more of a broad church than us having a probing Opposition.

Once we lose our sex-based rights or rights to say no to the state taking our kids because we don't affirm their gender identity, those rights are gone.

While they're still in power, the Tories need to fix the mess that started under Labour and got much much worse under them. I'll be grateful to them if they do, and if they make it impossible for Labour to bring in "gender identity" or self-ID, or permit the kinds of activity we've seen happen in the charity sector, public sector, and at GIDS.

Me too. It is now up to the Tory MPs to show some loyalty. I hope Sunak remembers that 'biology matters'.

Get away with your nuance TheClogLady, there's only one question this thread must address: how evil are Tories on a scale of 1 to 100? There must be no thinking beyond that.

Tbf I don’t think anyone here is celebrating in a general way, only in a, pick-a-Conservative-from-these-very-limited-options way?

None of the options were going to be fiscally beneficial for working class or lower-middle class people, let alone people entirely reliant on benefits due to disability or serious illness.

So the choice comes down to fiscally shit for most of us and knows what a woman is.

Or fiscally shit for most of us and pretends not to know what a woman is.

’Not a Tory’ wasn’t one of the options available.

Indeed nauticant
It's an enraging read but also shows why lobbyists try to influence government so much. The levels of harm to women and especially to children are off the scale with so much of it coming from the captured of government agencies who funded and promoted these deeply dubious groups and told schools they were the good guys.
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This does seem to constitute significant evidence for one of the class actions involving the growing number of detransitioners. It's clear evidence of the direct link to politicians and civil servants pushing a dodgy unevidenced ideology to the detriment of protected groups, especially young children and in open defiance of the Nolan principles.

I agree pinkfrogs I just can not understand why people are clamouring so much and celebrating, it is like they haven't listened to a single word he has said, or understand remotely what he stands for.

He is a banker through and through, first and foremost and has been 'installed' to do a job - not to serve you or me - he is part of a very hawkish and ruthless wing of the party and really watch this space. When the dawning realisation happens across the land, it will be far far too late.

One thing the three Mordaunt siblings have in common is a desire to overcome boundaries around the rights and safety of women and girls.

This.

There should have been a GE.

I am absolutely dreading the budget

Are you super rich then op?

Because Sunak is just about to launch a very hawkish package of severe cuts and corrections you can forget your cosy cushioning from the energy crisis etc, things are just about to get very very difficult for most people. He cares solely about balancing the books and appeasing the markets, the rest my friend is going to be very very difficult to bear for the next two years.

I dreaded this development due to my background, and I know how much people will suffer. And that suffering is just about to worsen. He is there for one reason, and one reason only and it is not for your benefit trust me.

Waiting with bated breath to see who he puts in cabinet. Hope Kemi gets a more central job. He might feel he has to appoint a cross section, here's hoping there's a GC majority.

Agreed re a period of stability but OMG - just look at what they're done. Aside from the shitshow of Brexit, I saw this yesterday from Conservatives for Women. It's a chilling analysis of the direct responsibility a politician like Mordaunt has for the appalling assault on women's rights and child safeguarding.

It shows how one very self invested individual, presumably compromised by family influences, has caused the utmost damage and harm - especially to children and women.

www.conservativesforwomen.org/penny-mordaunt-helped-to-push-gender-ideology-out-across-every-institution-in-the-uk

I hope he does @NotTerfNorCis. I definitely think he's a much better bet than Truss on this issue.

From the Pink News article:

The same source claimed Sunak would launch a “manifesto for women’s rights” if he became prime minister. Paradoxically, that “manifesto” for women’s rights would include a ban on trans women in sport, his ally said.

That's not paradoxical.

The main win I see is a period of stability meaning that the next General Election will be in 2024, or even very early 2025, by which time more wheels should have fallen off gender identity ideology. If we're going to get a Labour government I want it to come after the full Cass report has been published and relevant guidelines implemented and when people have realised that uncritical acceptance of the ideology is very risky.

Part of me is looking forward to this element. Part which I realize I should crush. But there is something about white progressives trying to impose id pol narratives on the people they are trying to free I find hilariously funny.

It's basically the same as "turkeys voting for Christmas" but more obvious that you are essentially saying that they are stupid. Gives away the hand a little too clearly.