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Mordaunt out, Sunak in: a good result (I hope)

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Sidaway · 24/10/2022 14:14

That's it, really. I'm not a Tory but I was desperately hoping for someone sensible to be in charge for the next two years.

Liz Truss very disappointing on this issue (wasting Kemi's talents on a trade post) - glad she's gone.

Boris would have caused more chaos.

Penny... well, need I say more.

Finally feel I can breathe!

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 25/10/2022 19:15

And lest we forget Penny's personal level of responsibility for the dire situation that women and children find ourselves in, this is damning reminder:

www.conservativesforwomen.org/penny-mordaunt-helped-to-push-gender-ideology-out-across-every-institution-in-the-uk

Snoozer11 · 25/10/2022 19:12

I think a poor grasp of reality and truthfulness runs in the Mordaunt family.

Cailleach1 · 25/10/2022 19:11

Is Mordaunt really a 'trained Navy Officer'? I saw a remark to that effect.

Then I saw this In 2022, George Freeman MP incorrectly claimed that Mordaunt had fought in the navy, with a navy source responding by saying that Mordaunt is not currently "a trained or paid reservist, she's never qualified or commissioned. She’s been banging the naval drum for days and enough is enough. How she has presented herself – and how she has allowed herself to be presented – have been deeply misleading.

How and when did Mordaunt come to “serve” on HMS Albion, as the service charities’ website stated? Only one such episode appears to be publicly documented and it seems highly probable that this is the basis of the website’s information. In June 2019, during her brief 85-day tenure as Secretary of State for Defence, Mordaunt travelled to a NATO conference and then to the Lithuanian port of Klaipėda, where HMS Albion was posted as part of a Baltic exercise of the 9-nation Joint Expeditionary Force [JEF]. Mordaunt there met with ministers of the other nations aboard the Albion.

^The reports show that Mordaunt’s brief period aboard Albion was undertaken in a ministerial, not in a military service capacity. Mordaunt had been appointed as an Honorary RN Commander in April 2019 and was promoted to Captain (with no apparent fanfare or publicity) a few weeks ago.
An honorary service commission is an honour, not a substantive rank. It is not awarded as a form of promotion to career military but to people of public distinction from other backgrounds.^ e.g. Daniel Craig (actor) received it as well.

northeastbylines.co.uk/from-bulwark-to-albion-penny-mordaunts-naval-service/

Is there some truth behind the 'trained Navy Officer' bit, or is it completely embroidered?

GCAcademic · 25/10/2022 19:09

Didn't the "women" bit get dumped under Truss?

Yes it did.

ResisterRex · 25/10/2022 19:03

Keegan source might be this:

chichesterlgbt.wordpress.com/2020/07/09/response-from-gillian-keegan-mp/

But the appointment of Badenoch as Minister for Women and Equalities is causing upset:

twitter.com/benjamincohen/status/1584959197523116032?s=48&t=T_M428Uh96AOTFxD2KSa1A

Didn't the "women" bit get dumped under Truss? Other GC appointments would be Braverman and Donelan. Plus the new NHS service consultation and whatever the Cass Review says when it's finished seems the direction is set.

MrJi · 25/10/2022 18:57

Whippet · 24/10/2022 16:11

Is also pretty cool to have our first Hindu and first Asian PM.

Agree. Find it rather ironic that it is the Conservative party that has delivered on both female and ethnic minority PMs now though!
Labour can hardly claim to be the party of diversity really.

I was so hopeful he would get in after Boris, he was so obviously the best option, then they picked Liz Truss !

TheClogLady · 25/10/2022 18:57

Policing comes under the Home Secretary remit, but I think prisons are the domain of the Secretary of State for Justice/Lord Chancellor?

Manderleyagain · 25/10/2022 18:48

Is braverman responsible for prisons ultimately? As she's home secretary?

I looked up gillian keegan on this board. This is the only place I can find her mentioned before:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4106251-unlimited-potential-report-of-the-commission-on-gender-stereotypes-and-early-childhood

TooBigForMyBoots · 25/10/2022 18:45

Whippet · 24/10/2022 23:12

By all means, feel free to ignore the female PM who was in power for 11 years!

No, what’s hilarious is that the best Labour can offer is a leader afraid to say a woman has a cervix and EI in your nan’s frock who claims to be in girl mode some of the time…

At least it would be hilarious if it wasn’t so desperately awful for women and girls 😟

PM Johnson struggled with the :Woman" question. The interview mentioned happened a week after Starmer's. www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1501654/Boris-Johnson-GB-News-latest-Conservative-Party-speech-woke-cancel-culture-woman-cervix-vn/amp

The Tories are just as TWAW as any other party, they're just better at hiding it so they can use it as Culture war. They are the party who keep putting men in women's prisons and have said they're not going to stop.

LizzieSiddal · 25/10/2022 18:44

@mcduffy can you remember how long ago you saw Gillian Keenan’s tweet? I’m just wondering if she’s heard all the recent news about Stonewall and Mermaids and may have changed her mind.

JustSpeculation · 25/10/2022 18:43

Badenoch gets equalities.

Manderleyagain · 25/10/2022 18:43

Oh dear if thats true about the education secretary.
But putting KB in women & equalities, given how outspoken she was on this, suggests a direction that the sunak government is going to take. Surely its a really good sign? Or maybe it means sunak actually isn't very interested the sex v gender identity policy issues, and his thinking on it is superficial?

Dave20 · 25/10/2022 18:41

But would Labour really do things better? Genuine question? I wonder if Kier Starmer is privately scared of becoming PM right now ?

mcduffy · 25/10/2022 18:33

GCAcademic · 25/10/2022 18:31

I don't know anything about Gillian Keegan. What's the lowdown on her?

Saw on Twitter she's TWAW and has taken advice from stonewall. Didn't copy the tweets for receipts though!

GCAcademic · 25/10/2022 18:31

I don't know anything about Gillian Keegan. What's the lowdown on her?

Imnobody4 · 25/10/2022 18:27

Just coming on to post. Very good news.

I'm not so sure about Gillian Keegan getting Education though.

GCAcademic · 25/10/2022 18:23

He's appointed Kemi Badenoch as Minister for Women and Equalities 👍

Tanith · 25/10/2022 11:33

Whippet · 24/10/2022 23:12

By all means, feel free to ignore the female PM who was in power for 11 years!

No, what’s hilarious is that the best Labour can offer is a leader afraid to say a woman has a cervix and EI in your nan’s frock who claims to be in girl mode some of the time…

At least it would be hilarious if it wasn’t so desperately awful for women and girls 😟

Rishi Sunak also struggled with this question:

order-order.com/2022/03/24/rishi-struggles-to-define-what-is-a-woman/

Kissingfrogs25 · 25/10/2022 11:08

Apollo442 · 25/10/2022 10:34

The members 'almost' got it. The vote against Truss was closer than expected. I think Rishi's consistent message that Truss's plans wouldn't work was starting to get through. I think the members would have overcome their possible issue with being asian and he would have won against Mordaunt if it had come to that.

We will soon know, members have been asked to say which way they would have voted, and if they will vote cons in the next election

Kissingfrogs25 · 25/10/2022 11:07

Alltheprettyseahorses · 25/10/2022 10:33

Of course I've read them Kissingfrogs25. Please don't insult me. I've read and listened to both main parties rather than the fairy tales some like to tell themselves and although in truth it can't really get worse for me at the bottom, Labour don't seem a viable or safe alternative (I've spoilt my ballot at the last few elections). Plus, as I said, I've already had a concrete benefit from Sunak's policies which I wouldn't have had from Labour and the NHS still hasn't been sold off to American disaster capitalists so your fearmongering doesn't really work.

I am sorry to hear it is so tough for you. I and truly.

It’s actually the middle class working population that is most likely to feel the real damage. Maybe the triple lock will be added to the bonfire.
I hope that Sunak will ring fence support for people in your position 💐

Apollo442 · 25/10/2022 10:34

The members 'almost' got it. The vote against Truss was closer than expected. I think Rishi's consistent message that Truss's plans wouldn't work was starting to get through. I think the members would have overcome their possible issue with being asian and he would have won against Mordaunt if it had come to that.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 25/10/2022 10:33

Of course I've read them Kissingfrogs25. Please don't insult me. I've read and listened to both main parties rather than the fairy tales some like to tell themselves and although in truth it can't really get worse for me at the bottom, Labour don't seem a viable or safe alternative (I've spoilt my ballot at the last few elections). Plus, as I said, I've already had a concrete benefit from Sunak's policies which I wouldn't have had from Labour and the NHS still hasn't been sold off to American disaster capitalists so your fearmongering doesn't really work.

notmyrealmoniker · 25/10/2022 10:12

Musomama1 · 24/10/2022 15:50

I think he was the only sensible option and I wish they'd got him in the first place. Might say more about attitudes of party members voting for a very English Liz Truss over the chancellor that just happens to be British Asian.

I did wonder this as Liz Truss was a completely incomprehensible choice and RS a 'safe pair of hands'

Kissingfrogs25 · 25/10/2022 10:00

Alltheprettyseahorses · 25/10/2022 09:19

With regards to the budget talk - this may come back to bite me but as a carer on UC I benefited from Sunak's policy of an extra £20 a week for 18 months during the pandemic so I'm really not convinced by the fearmongering, particularly as Labour's Reeves has repeatedly stated she will crack down on welfare claimants. Any government MUST give support for energy costs and I'd much prefer the original Tory plan than the awful 6 month Labour copy Hunt just brought in. The NHS scaremongering is just that. We'll see anyway.

You are very relaxed, when actually you are very exposed to some of the cuts coming. It’s not fear mongering.
I have read and listened to Sunaks actual policies and goals - have you? Perhaps you should if not, and be prepared for some very difficult months.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 25/10/2022 09:19

With regards to the budget talk - this may come back to bite me but as a carer on UC I benefited from Sunak's policy of an extra £20 a week for 18 months during the pandemic so I'm really not convinced by the fearmongering, particularly as Labour's Reeves has repeatedly stated she will crack down on welfare claimants. Any government MUST give support for energy costs and I'd much prefer the original Tory plan than the awful 6 month Labour copy Hunt just brought in. The NHS scaremongering is just that. We'll see anyway.