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Mordaunt out, Sunak in: a good result (I hope)

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Sidaway · 24/10/2022 14:14

That's it, really. I'm not a Tory but I was desperately hoping for someone sensible to be in charge for the next two years.

Liz Truss very disappointing on this issue (wasting Kemi's talents on a trade post) - glad she's gone.

Boris would have caused more chaos.

Penny... well, need I say more.

Finally feel I can breathe!

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sosolongago · 26/10/2022 21:28

TooBigForMyBoots · 26/10/2022 14:40

There are plenty of parties to vote for. It's not a case of Conservative and Labour. Far right parties will increase their share of the vote in the next GE.

But probably not share of seats thanks to FPTP.

TooBigForMyBoots · 26/10/2022 14:40

There are plenty of parties to vote for. It's not a case of Conservative and Labour. Far right parties will increase their share of the vote in the next GE.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/10/2022 13:42

after which the Conservative party will be gone. Probably forever.

This is deluded. The conservatives have probably been in power too long, but I see no reason they're just going to disappear off the map forever. They've been a main party in this country for centuries. Like it or not, many people won't ever vote Labour.

TooBigForMyBoots · 26/10/2022 13:27

There is nothing for anyone to spend. It's really bad and everyone is going to feel it in the next 2 years.

MangyInseam · 26/10/2022 13:23

So you are thinking the CP will spend more and Labour would go for an austerity approach?

That seems to be the opposite of what most people are warning of, they seem to think Sunak is going to try and balance the books and Labour would somehow soften the blow.

TooBigForMyBoots · 26/10/2022 12:51

Balance the books? The Tories have pretty near bankrupted the UK. They are having to scramble quickly to avoid it. Life in the UK is going to get harder over the next two years, after which the Conservative party will be gone. Probably forever.

They destroyed our economy and they destroyed our rights.

WandaWomblesaurus · 26/10/2022 12:44

Yes curious as to how Labour would be any better and I'm saying this as a paid up Labour voter. What do we think Labour would magically do to fix the economy?

healthadvice123 · 26/10/2022 11:45

@Alltheprettyseahorses well said
Anyone thinks there is a magic wand and another party would be able to fix all is on another planet
If I was Kier Starmer I would be quite happy waiting a couple years then taking over when books are balanced a little more and there is maybe more to give back
Also a snap GE would not be good for us as a country we have a low pound as it is
A planned GE even a earlier one would be much better
He handled furlough well but tough choices ahead for all of us no doubt

healthadvice123 · 26/10/2022 11:39

We do have to balance the books though , we cannot keep on as we are
If anyone else got in where would the money come from ? Its always the taxpayers
He did sort furlough etc
I for one am giving him the benefit of the doubt for now and whoever is in , whatever the party the global situation we are in and recovery from covid is going to be a tough few years

Manderleyagain · 26/10/2022 11:37

The screenshot from stilltish on twitter is a recent discussion in parliament on men's mental health. If you google her name & gender identity you find it. They included trans men in the discussion, but that was the way the questions & remit of the discussion was set up. There definitely wasn't anything alarming from keegan. She just reports what's going on the GI services.

Whichever tory politicians were actually behind commissioning the cass review have done a really good thing. So many sensible developments spring from that point.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/10/2022 09:13

Cohen is not happy about David TC Davies being in the cabinet either.

AutumnCrow · 26/10/2022 08:57

RoyalCorgi · 26/10/2022 08:36

Glad someone else spotted this. Not just "one of the first" but THE first, if memory serves me correctly. Back in 2017, he was taking an interest in this when no other MP was speaking out. In fact, when Venice Allan had her meeting at Millwall FC cancelled after threats by TRAs, he stepped up and allowed her to hold her meeting in the House of Commons.

That was brilliant, wasn't it? Not only did the meeting go ahead, but it went ahead inside the 'mother of all parliaments', under the protection of the parliamentarian David TC Davies.

Davies said he didn't like seeing women being prevented from speaking freely, and he wanted to hear what they had to say.

RoyalCorgi · 26/10/2022 08:36

sosolongago · 25/10/2022 19:25

Pleased to see David TC Davies has been given the role of Welsh Secretary. He was one of the first Conservative MPs to take women's safeguarding concerns seriously during a Mumsnet online chat back in the early days.
Great news about Badenoch and Braverman.....just the Education Secretary who may be a concern on gender issues, which would be a shame given how much still needs to be rolled back in Education.

Glad someone else spotted this. Not just "one of the first" but THE first, if memory serves me correctly. Back in 2017, he was taking an interest in this when no other MP was speaking out. In fact, when Venice Allan had her meeting at Millwall FC cancelled after threats by TRAs, he stepped up and allowed her to hold her meeting in the House of Commons.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/10/2022 08:08

Women who have met with Gillian Keegan more recently say she gets the concerns, so hopefully she isn't as much as a patsy for the trans lobby as Benjamin Cohen thinks.

TooBigForMyBoots · 25/10/2022 23:53

Keegan has close ties with Justine Greening. She credits her as her as a mentor.

ResisterRex · 25/10/2022 20:55

Imnobody4 · 25/10/2022 20:44

Seems Keegan may be more open minded than I feared

twitter.com/STILLTish/status/1584984673394253826?t=KTHQYB0ICTjMV4odPt2tlQ&s=19

That's interesting. It's very general but Cass isn't finished and it's a distance from the TWAW line

LizzieSiddal · 25/10/2022 20:50

@Imnobody4 very interesting Twitter Link.

In the last paragraph she says they are looking forward to receiving the full Cass Report for “information and recommendations on what we should do”.

MangyInseam · 25/10/2022 20:45

Alltheprettyseahorses · 25/10/2022 09:19

With regards to the budget talk - this may come back to bite me but as a carer on UC I benefited from Sunak's policy of an extra £20 a week for 18 months during the pandemic so I'm really not convinced by the fearmongering, particularly as Labour's Reeves has repeatedly stated she will crack down on welfare claimants. Any government MUST give support for energy costs and I'd much prefer the original Tory plan than the awful 6 month Labour copy Hunt just brought in. The NHS scaremongering is just that. We'll see anyway.

The other thing I would point out, again, is that Labour would not be dealing with a substantially different financial landscape.

I think people would find a Labour budget would look a lot more like a Conservative budget than they imagine.

MariEllie · 25/10/2022 20:44

nauticant · 24/10/2022 19:07

Get away with your nuance TheClogLady, there's only one question this thread must address: how evil are Tories on a scale of 1 to 100? There must be no thinking beyond that.

How evil are Labour wanting to replace women? You hear Starmer going on that he doesn’t even know what a woman is. If Labour get it the left will want to cut off the basic human rights women have campaigned for for a century. They are perfectly evil and want to destroy our way of life. If you don’t believe that you have your head in the wrong p,ace.

Imnobody4 · 25/10/2022 20:44

Seems Keegan may be more open minded than I feared

twitter.com/STILLTish/status/1584984673394253826?t=KTHQYB0ICTjMV4odPt2tlQ&s=19

Manderleyagain · 25/10/2022 19:34

This is from gillian keegan Web site, on the GRA. Presumably in 2020.

"I recognise that more must be done to help transgender people with the unique and difficult challenges that they face. Trans women are women and trans people deserve equal and fair access to healthcare, safe spaces, and opportunities, as well as to live their life with dignity.

I know that colleagues in the Government Equalities Office have been doing a lot of work on this recently to form their response to the consultation. Understandably, the Coronavirus outbreak has complicated things somewhat, but I have received reassurances from the department that they plan to publish their response in the summer. I do not wish to pre-empt the consultation response but will take the time to study the detail of it in due course.

I look forward to continuing my engagement with Chichester LGBT and to attending Chichester Pride when it’s possible after the inaugural event was postponed due to Coronavirus."

I wonder what happened after she had studied the detail of the consultation. I wonder if she ever mentioned again?

In that first paragraph, the only thing I disagree with is 'twaw' which is as much a political slogan as anything. I could say the rest if it and mean it. But it depends on what she actually means by access to safe spaces.

Its not a good sign for education minister. Even at that late stage she was still blathering twaw. But actually it's a mistake that the lgbt campaigners have made to emphasise the importance of parroting specific slogans instead of saying meaningful things. It covers up the fact that she isn't actually saying anything.

RedToothBrush · 25/10/2022 19:28

sosolongago · 25/10/2022 19:25

Pleased to see David TC Davies has been given the role of Welsh Secretary. He was one of the first Conservative MPs to take women's safeguarding concerns seriously during a Mumsnet online chat back in the early days.
Great news about Badenoch and Braverman.....just the Education Secretary who may be a concern on gender issues, which would be a shame given how much still needs to be rolled back in Education.

Quite clear education is getting a shit deal from this reshuffle. But it also means the secretary will have to tow the party line to get pretty much anything for her department...

sosolongago · 25/10/2022 19:25

Pleased to see David TC Davies has been given the role of Welsh Secretary. He was one of the first Conservative MPs to take women's safeguarding concerns seriously during a Mumsnet online chat back in the early days.
Great news about Badenoch and Braverman.....just the Education Secretary who may be a concern on gender issues, which would be a shame given how much still needs to be rolled back in Education.

mcduffy · 25/10/2022 19:25

ResisterRex · 25/10/2022 19:03

Keegan source might be this:

chichesterlgbt.wordpress.com/2020/07/09/response-from-gillian-keegan-mp/

But the appointment of Badenoch as Minister for Women and Equalities is causing upset:

twitter.com/benjamincohen/status/1584959197523116032?s=48&t=T_M428Uh96AOTFxD2KSa1A

Didn't the "women" bit get dumped under Truss? Other GC appointments would be Braverman and Donelan. Plus the new NHS service consultation and whatever the Cass Review says when it's finished seems the direction is set.

Yes, that source. Two years ago so hopefully something has shifted

RedToothBrush · 25/10/2022 19:24

Manderleyagain · 25/10/2022 18:48

Is braverman responsible for prisons ultimately? As she's home secretary?

I looked up gillian keegan on this board. This is the only place I can find her mentioned before:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4106251-unlimited-potential-report-of-the-commission-on-gender-stereotypes-and-early-childhood

Prisons are justice. There is a dedicated junior minister for prisons in the justice department.

I don't know who that will be by the end of the day though.