She played the piano with her penis

@SudocremOnEverything totally agree, I think “sex reassignment surgery” is a fraud, and could weep for all the young women getting double mastectomies and boys like Jazz Jennings being so hideously misled into surgery that will never change their sex.

But a lot of public perception is based on the old “transsexual” image, which means someone who has had full surgery and is perceived (rightly or wrongly) to be a lesser threat to women than other men. Once the public realises that the majority of transwomen still have penises, they may be less likely to support their entry into female only spaces.

That was a quality drama and the 'reveal' had a point and was done sensitively. The two are not comparable.

i think, to be fair, there are very significant risks and disadvantages to removing a part of your anatomy.

The idea that you can surgically alter your body to turn it into the opposite sex is a lie. All of the surgeries that might superficially appear to be doing so have significant problems and cannot reproduce the functions of the opposite sexed organs they’re trying to emulate.

Supposed ‘sex change’ surgery is a really problematic field. Cosmetic surgeries that often produce significant functional impairment, ongoing issues and a life-long dependency on yet more medical intervention (including hormones).

But, the answer there is really to recognise that people are stuck with the sexed bodies they are born with. Getting some breast implants and even taking hormones doesn’t turn you into a woman. And having your penis removed would be a terrible idea.

Of course, all of that doesn’t excuse this comedy act involving flashing male general is and fake breasts. Or the activism to insist that biology doesn’t matter and penises are not by definition male sex organs and so on.

But I don’t think I can actually blame anyone for not undergoing a cosmetic castration. And I wouldn’t encourage anyone to have one. There are very good reasons why all biological males should be keen to keep hold of their penises.

Yes, to liken this performance to Embarrassing Bodies is way off the mark

Totally. It's ridiculous someone would even try to same they're along the same lines. EB was to help people, this man is just there to shit on women.

What does this mean? Are they trying to distance themselves from the ill judged connection? Just like Mermaids then.

Of course. It’s mainly about them envying women’s breasts and hairlines. It’s not about disliking their dicks. Some rare ones also envy women’s vaginas and vulva, and wombs, etc.

"The reality is that 90% of transwomen keep their penis, so Jordan is actually quite representative .........That’s why we’re all meant to believe that a woman can have a penis, because transwomen are very keen to keep hold of them."

So, in trying to present and claim to be as female, you choose to do this. Which clearly shows you are male. Because you have a penis. Deranged.

This is a really interesting exchange. Wasn’t it Trans Media Watch who were behind carefully planting ‘hearts and minds’ stories like Haley Cropper, deliberately using a female actress to normalise and mainstream the idea?

it looks like it seems to have worked in as far as priming society for the next steps that were to come. Iirc they insisted she was played by a woman not a man.

Imagine if Haley Cropper had been played by a man? The public would have likely reacted badly and felt very uncomfortable about it. It would have been much harder to run the story of “a woman with an embarrassing secret” like some sort of health issue she’d only share with those she trusts. If the actor had been a man, the public would have been much more insistent that people have the right to know what sex you are, that your sex isn’t an embarrassing secret, but an important fact others should know about you so that we can keep our own appropriate boundaries.

Thanks for the invite to stick around a free public space but I don’t fancy taking lessons in hostility off snippy forum users thanks all the same.

It's funny.

When you looked at Twitter on Saturday it was relatively quiet on the TRA side. It was obviously a hot topic but not mentioned in many places. Still moaning about woman having a conference about womans rights.

Now there is a lot more being said. Its almost as if they have now been given permission to speak about how wonderful it was.

The ultimate my penis is bigger than yours isn't it

This.

I’d argue it makes it worse if you’re throwing your penis around while claiming to be a better woman than women because you do anal and your tits won’t sag. And they’re not even joking, that appears to just be what they think.

But there’s no such thing as a “Hayley Cropper type transwoman” - Hayley was played by a female actress.

The reality is that 90% of transwomen keep their penis, so Jordan is actually quite representative in a way that Hayley Cropper could never be. That’s why we’re all meant to believe that a woman can have a penis, because transwomen are very keen to keep hold of them.

Only a man would do this-no matter how big the wig, make up and heels this us 💯 male exhibitionist behaviour. The same you see drunk lad's getting their arses out.

Basically a deluded drag queen...

God I hope Eddie Izzard doesn’t see this. Could be the comedy come back Eddie’s been looking for.

Educate and Celebrate have taken down their Patrons page on their website

Would also like to add that here in Australia, Idol contestant & TV presenter Axle Whitehead got his penis out at the 2006 ARIA awards & was swiftly blacklisted. Never heard of again.

Due to the live broadcast delay, it didn't even make it to air & was still such a massive scandal at the time.

Just can't believe this is where we are at only 16 years later & on UK TV, which I had such respect + love of.

@Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious

Yes, to liken this performance to Embarrassing Bodies is way off the mark

The whole premise of that show was that we all have lumps, bumps & embarrassing things but it's OK!

I forget their slogan now, but they would say it every episode & really drove that point home & it was intended to be an empowering message to all

It was a medical show & people watched it because they were interested in seeing & learning about people's bodies.

You went into the program informed of what was to come, there was an implied consent by tuning in that you would expect to see private parts of people's bodies.

Did the people in the audience of this Friday Night Live know what was to come? Did the audience at home?

No, so am not having this comparison & to say so is being disingenuous

Is it just me, or are the majority comments online seem to be critical about this performance?

It is and the only thing TRA can shout is it's transphobic not to enjoy the performance. In reality, they've done their cause harm with this and realise the tide is beginning to turn.

Thank you, I've just complained.

Is it just me, or are the majority comments online seem to be critical about this performance?

The news headlines on this performance seem to be out of touch with most people & not in line with majority opinion.

I think this shows how "uncaptured" the general public is when it comes to the gender debate & many don't realise the existence of this debate at all.

So when the average person sees something on free to air TV, they feel free to speak their mind, without feeling like they have to censor themselves.

These organisations like Mermaids (ACON here in Aus) can infiltrate organisations, media & government however they like, but if these organisations stop representing the interests of the average person, then this ideology will crumble & become a fad of the past eventually.

This isn't like with gay marriage, where people were strongly opposed to the concept, but once they actually got to know more regular gay people they warmed to the idea because it didn't affect them & gays weren't forcing themselves or their culture onto others.

People are not immediately opposed to the idea of trans people having rights, & nobody is denying the existence of trans people - but the more people actually see & experience the full force of "woke culture" they seem to push back against it.

I think TRAs feel like this is a big win for them, but long term it could be a real misstep to continue shoving this behaviour in people's faces.

Well, I've heard of polishing the ivories....