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She played the piano with her penis

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NotRightNowNo · 23/10/2022 17:16

So I am told anyway. I can't bring myself to watch it. Has anyone been brave enough?

Can't seem to link to the article. It's in the DM

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IcakethereforeIam · 27/10/2022 14:18

There's a video, linked on the other thread. Apparently, he was invited there on IWD in some other capacity not linked to E&C. I don't see that let's them off the hook though.

Wtf, did he actually do for them then?

ArabellaScott · 27/10/2022 14:17

'The charity told The Telegraph she has been removed as a patron following the performance. Julie Bremner, the charity’s chair of trustees said: “As far as we are aware, as a patron, Jordon Gray has never gone into schools and we have never requested they carry out work for and on behalf of Educate & Celebrate, either in a voluntary or paid capacity.”

In an interview in 2016 with Guyslikeu.com, a culture website for gay men, Ms Gray said: “I go into schools to talk about gender as part of a campaign called Educate and Celebrate. Toddlers kind of get it straight away. I went in to one school recently where there was a seven-year-old transgender girl. And her four-year-old classmate, who was a boy, said: ‘Jessie’s a girl and she wants to be a girl. And I am a boy and I want to be boy.’ And that was that! Young minds are very accepting. It’s teenagers who are harder to get through to. To go into a secondary school would be terrifying. But it’s good to educate these kids when they are young.”'

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/10/26/trans-singer-who-stripped-naked-channel-4-should-not-preaching/

ChlorineChris · 27/10/2022 14:14

Isn't there clear evidence of Jordan Gray in schools, delivering talks? Am sure I've seen the videos linked?

Given the alleged involvement of Educate and Celebrate in the sacking of Rev Randall (awaiting ET outcome at the moment) I can imagine they're not overly pleased to have more of this negative publicity

YouSirNeighMmmm · 27/10/2022 13:53

Where in the statement is the bit about how they are reviewing their hiring / safeguarding procedures so as to work out how to ensure they never make such an appointment again?

ArabellaScott · 27/10/2022 13:47

www.educateandcelebrate.org/trustees-of-educate-celebrate-remove-jordan-gray-as-a-patron/

'Trustees of Educate & Celebrate remove Jordan Gray as a patron

Jen WattsOctober 26, 2022Blog, News

Following Jordan Gray’s performance on Friday Night Live, Trustees of the charity Educate & Celebrate removed Jordan Gray as a patron.

As far as the charity are aware, Jordan Gray has never gone into schools and the charity have never requested Jordan carry out work for or on behalf of Educate & Celebrate, either in a voluntary or paid capacity.

Trustees of Educate & Celebrate had no knowledge of Jordan Gray appearing on Channel 4’s Friday Night Live until it was brought to our attention via social media.'

ChlorineChris · 26/10/2022 07:42

There's a link via that Baroness Nicholson tweet ("I'm sorry you had to read that" is my favourite line!) that has some shocking, really shocking stuff linked in media articles about Educate and Celebrate

tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/bernard-randall-vs-trent-college

LK1972 · 26/10/2022 01:07

Parabellum · 25/10/2022 17:22

A biological male gets HER cock out.
Iconic.
The audience was blown away.
What a moment.
What an artistic triumph.
Incredibly powerful message.

OMG. OMG. OMG.
The oppression has officially ended.
I am literally crying happy tears here.

And so are we, dear...

(Endless love & kindness & compassion ensues...)
Happy to be of assistance.

Grin
SudocremOnEverything · 26/10/2022 00:23

’I am sorry you had to read that’. 😁

RhannionKPSS · 25/10/2022 23:18

The Baroness is so classy, thank goodness for her.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 25/10/2022 23:09

Imnobody4 · 25/10/2022 22:53

Baroness Nicholson has written to Ofsted about Educate and Celebrate

twitter.com/Baroness_Nichol/status/1584992788143374342?t=HLtKnObN7DNrk9SrrA_EDg&s=19

That's a great letter. So much of this has been government funded with zero due diligence. Hence these revelations about the type of people who are working with children in and out of schools - a paedophile apologist, a porn self promoter and a flasher in the last week or so. Presumably the tip of a very big iceberg.

Imnobody4 · 25/10/2022 22:53

Baroness Nicholson has written to Ofsted about Educate and Celebrate

twitter.com/Baroness_Nichol/status/1584992788143374342?t=HLtKnObN7DNrk9SrrA_EDg&s=19

ArabellaScott · 25/10/2022 20:52

The Ted quote is perfect. O'Neill's writing has gotten sharper and sharper on this issue.

EndlessTea · 25/10/2022 19:56

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/10/2022 19:52

I don’t know if anyone has shared this yet:

That's superb. He has such a great way with words and he perfectly skewers the vanity and absurdity while highlighting the more sordid side of all this. I'm glad I wasn't the only one to think of that Ted quote.

Yes. It deserves another post.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/10/24/sexist-comedy-is-back/

Its brilliantly furious and thorough and made me lol.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/10/2022 19:52

I don’t know if anyone has shared this yet:

That's superb. He has such a great way with words and he perfectly skewers the vanity and absurdity while highlighting the more sordid side of all this. I'm glad I wasn't the only one to think of that Ted quote.

EndlessTea · 25/10/2022 19:50

When I wonder “how did we ever get to the place where a man can get fake breasts and call himself a woman?”…
I realise that the most important lie, was the one about them getting their penises cut off.
People (me included) thought it was so disturbing and horrific and that a man must be overwhelmingly ‘unhappy being a man’ to do it, that we kind of waved through “whatever - just don’t make me think any more about that please”.

Now the cat really is out of the bag.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/10/2022 19:48

YY, EndlessTea

oakleaffy · 25/10/2022 19:48

These men in drag seem very keen to show their penises at every opportunity.

EndlessTea · 25/10/2022 19:36

I think it is important to avoid playing into the absurdity by ever using the word TW. The word woman does not describe any sort of man. It shouldn’t be used to.

ArabellaScott · 25/10/2022 19:19

Yes. I think this is very useful demonstration of various things.

So - props to Jordan and may Jordan grace the nation's screens far more often.

EndlessTea · 25/10/2022 19:17

Yes. At the end of the day, there seems to be no shortage of blokes who want their own pair of tits - and the full-frontal nudity does highlight the utter absurdity that this is supposed to make them some kind of woman.

Snoozer11 · 25/10/2022 19:07

I fully support this.

We need more of these people to show the world that most of them have penises and are happy to openly make fools of themselves.

DameHelena · 25/10/2022 18:49

happydappy2 · 25/10/2022 16:26

Channel 4 have replied to my complaint-couldn't give a shit!

'Thank you for contacting Channel 4 Viewer Enquiries regarding FRIDAY NIGHT LIVE (Jordan Gray)

We're sorry to read of your concerns. However, this Edinburgh Comedy Award-nominated routine was part of a live comedy variety show featuring a broad range of acts.
It was broadcast after the watershed with appropriate warnings, including for adult content.'

I disagree but what can you do?

Write to Ofcom. I have.
Although I can't claim I'm holding my breath.

chilling19 · 25/10/2022 17:50

A dick move:

Indeed a fabulous article.

Noteworthy:

'Trans vision of eternal girlhood'

And

'Only this is not humour. The objectification is deadly serious, as is the dick-swinging power play. Male people do think they are better than female people; they treat us as inferior, and shame us for the bodies we have and the boundaries we set. Whilst it might not count as indecent exposure, what happened on Friday Night Live sits on a continuum with it. It was gender-normative, and it was intended to put women back in their place.'

👏👏👏

Parabellum · 25/10/2022 17:35

Cock on TV = Radical Satire.
As long as you're TW, that is.
Only then your member can be considered
"magnificent".
Which it naturally, is.
Pure talent.

Parabellum · 25/10/2022 17:22

A biological male gets HER cock out.
Iconic.
The audience was blown away.
What a moment.
What an artistic triumph.
Incredibly powerful message.

OMG. OMG. OMG.
The oppression has officially ended.
I am literally crying happy tears here.

And so are we, dear...

(Endless love & kindness & compassion ensues...)
Happy to be of assistance.