Joules flying the trans flag

I think the content of the speeches may be going up on their website soon. It really was a very moving and thought provoking day.

I missed Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe, who spoke in the auditorium yesterday afternoon, so I hope that goes up.

Numbers wise, they said over 1,700 over the conference. It was overwhelmingly feminist women but I think men were allowed for certain sessions too.

Even by that posters standards it is quite something to post that photo that has already been comprehensively debunked.

Fantastic idea.

Would safe me lots of googling

Just coming on to point that out - oh dear, oh dear @MargaritaPie are you really that gullible to believe that was an actual photo of the recent LGBA conference?

Pie, either you haven't read the thread and genuinely don't know we're talking about FiLiA, being held in Cardiff, or you are pretending not to know.

Which is it? I honestly can't guess after the times you've posted newspaper links that said the opposite of what you said they did.

But this is it isn’t it. With TRAs everything is about them. The idea that women can be talking and they don’t feature is beyond them.

"Women gathering for a feminist conference are righty complaining about being trolled by retailers, who have no business getting involved in this kind of political messaging."

Are you referring to the recent LGBA meeting? It seems to be equally split amongst men and women, there are photos circulating on Social Media such as this one.

And how can you possibly accuse retailers of accusing gender critical people/LGB-Alliance members of "being trolled" just by putting up an LGBT/trans flag?

I'd much rather live in 2022 where gay and trans people can have rights and marry etc and see flags supporting LGBT people having rights compared to how life was for LGBT people in the not-too-distant past.

When you say "LGBT and trans rights", did you realise that T stands for trans?

It means you've included trans twice. Are you trying to indicate that you think that the people who come under the T umbrella deserve twice as much support as people under the LGB umbrella, or is it a typo?

So much this.
Nothing to do with transgenderism.

Yet Cardiff welcomed the largest feminist conference in Europe with LOTS of 🏳️‍⚧️

Even the Air Ambulance Charity shop bizarrely had one. There was lots of stickers around saying " Terfs, read a book" which amused, and one bizarre sticker with a blue and pink tram, and some nonsense about trams rights. Do they identify as trams now?

Joules took the flag down by 8pm last night, and I think Fred Perry did too. It was helpful to know which pubs didn't want our trade, there's lots to choose from so it wasn't an issue.

Good to see TRAs finally learned harassing women outside these venues makes them look especially mental. It was much less stressful without the shrieks etc.

The conference was about women's rights all round the world. Nothing to do with trans people and the placement of the flags was cynical. We live rent free in their minds.

They know it’s women talking and that seems to be enough.

A lot of trans rights activists don't seem to know very much about FiLiA.

Who mentioned being cancelled on this thread? Women gathering for a feminist conference are righty complaining about being trolled by retailers, who have no business getting involved in this kind of political messaging.

Or should that be - retailers who will soon have no business if they get involved in this kind of political messaging?

’gender-criticals’? Not gender critical people?

Let’s look at it this way.

If a town was hosting a National Front convention and people asked shops to fly a Black Lives Matter flag then we would know that they were asking the shop to do this because they wanted the people going to the NF meeting and know where the shop and wider community stands.
The thing with this though is that is easy to see that the NF are the bag guys.

By flying the trans flag in the town where there is a feminism convention going on you are saying that the feminists are the bad guys.

Please don't call feminist women "gender criticals". It's dehumanising. Gender critical feminists, gender critical activists, women's rights activists.

Some gender-criticals talk about being "cancelled" a lot, yet also seem to have no problem with bullying others who have a different viewpoint than they do.

Please don't allow yourself to be bullied by haters into taking the flag down.

She didn't put it up, and it looks like it's already been removed.

"If it was a Nazi flag would that wake you up"

and what's that supposed to mean?

Hi andpeggy, I'd like to take the opportunity to thank you for supporting LGBT and trans rights.

Please don't allow yourself to be bullied by haters into taking the flag down.

As you rightly say @senua it sooner or later backfires on them as people start looking very closely at their principles and activities and lo and behold they are never squeaky clean.

I want my retailers to retail. I don't want them getting tied up in Social Justice.
Besides which, it is stupid of them to get involved in things that they don't understand because (as here) it so often backfires on them.
Stick to the day job, Joules, and restrict yourself to the requirements of the law (Equalities Act, in case you were wondering).

THIS with bells and whistles on - I go to a shop to shop, I do not go there to be preached at if I want to be preached at I will go to a Church, equally I do not want to be lectured at by shops or businesses - that is NOT their job. Shops and businesses stick to your fucking job an shut the fuck up about everything else.

@andpeggy1
I want my retailers to retail. I don't want them getting tied up in Social Justice.
Besides which, it is stupid of them to get involved in things that they don't understand because (as here) it so often backfires on them.
Stick to the day job, Joules, and restrict yourself to the requirements of the law (Equalities Act, in case you were wondering).

Having a brief break from all the wonderful sessions at Filia and went for a stroll round the city and back up to conference venue via the shopping area and the arcades.
There were more flags on Friday/Saturday morning than there are today. Ones that have gone were in the bigger chain shops.
I’m not sure women ar Filia were out clothes shopping in Cardiff but they will have noted which displayed them.
It does seem true the Queer Emporium handed them out, though not sure on what pretext.
I know nothing about event organising or the economics of a conference coming to town, but Filia women 1,700 ticket holders plus speakers and organisers have eaten out, had the odd drink or two away from the conference venue and all the hotels near by and further out have contingents of women staying in them.
We have kept the hall staff busy too from 8am to late. I expect minus ticket, I will have spent over £300 in Cardiff over the weekend. And it is bloody fabulous.