Mum takes 14 yr old to Poland for top surgery

@Clymene your first paragraph has chilled me to the core. What kind of sick fuck gets an idea in his or her head to see if the technology can be used on adolescent children, and actually tries it out??

See also Iran. Much better to have enormous amounts of medical intervention than admit that homosexuality is just totally normal. 🙄

This is the video I watched sexreassignmentsurgery.eu/srs/ftm/top-surgery-mastectomy/

( I had to turn it off as it showed amputation of healthy breasts). They perform radical mastectomies and remove all the breast structures and glands so that their patients can develop muscles and a male physique.

Well I can’t see the current Scottish government engaging any reasonable
thought process on any of this.

So there’s one answer to how such huge safeguarding failures happen.

This stuff is going to be scandalous documentary fodder in the future. Possibly the stuff of history exam modules - ‘oh we’ve finished COVID; we’re doing gender crap this term’. I can see A-level history exams in the future where the candidates write 3 essays: 1. brexit - or why David Cameron was an idiot 🤣, 2. COVID - and the effects of respected mass lockdowns, 3. Gender wars - and how people in the early part of the century were applauding the mutilation of children.

I've just watched a video from a Polish clinic saying that they usually perform mastectomies on adult women but new techniques mean they can perform them on adolescents once the breast tissue has stopped growing as that gives superior results.

Presumably as her daughter is already taking T, her breasts won't develop further.

What kind of sick fuck gives their 12 year old cross sex hormones?

I don't know. Sounds fake. The brain scan in particular- ok the neuroscience studies looking for sex differences and trans-related differences in the brain exist but they're neither very convincing nor part of any diagnostic pathway I know of. I'm pretty sure this is fake.

BTW also as far as I know cosmetic mastectomy for breast dysphoria is not as extensive as radical mastectomy for cancer so will leave far more structures intact - longterm complications ought to be minimal.

I would really not be surprised if this were true. Massively catholic countries like Malta and Poland are anti abortion and homophobic. Malta is massively on the trans train.

@CountZacular That post - BRAIN SCAN? It’s a huge money-making exercise for these clinics.

Or... a country which tends not to care about womens rights, and (afaik) liable to homophobia.... compare with Iran?

I was really surprised that this would be legal in Poland. I just had a look at the thread and apparently they just need a formal diagnosis which, by the sounds of it wasn’t all that forth coming on the NHS.

I was interested in this particular post - what exactly are all these tests looking for?

I know women who have had mastectomies for cancer who wear special wristbands to remind hcps not to do a blood pressure or take blood from that arm as the damage to the lymph glands means that any constriction can cause horrible.swelling and issues with drainage.sjrely that is also a risk for these young girls having this operation? Maybe worse as its both sides?

Quite apart from losing their actual breasts - incredibly complex organs that produce life saving milk, respond to temperature and to viral attacks to help protect babies, that can form a really important part of sexual arousal and stimulation..all gone. And how can we say teens understand the potential consequences?

They say they're in Scotland and on the GIDS waiting list in Glasgow

It isn't that long ago that I was reading stories from adult women in their 20s and 30s who were refused sterilisation by doctors because they were too young, didn't understand the consequences, might change their mind, might meet someone else.....because they were adult women and who believes one of them????

I'm not sure it's for the best that young women and girls are now being so readily believed and supported in their desire for life-changing surgery.

“Transition journey” - another horrifying euphemism. Sounds as if you’ll be skipping along a rose-strewn path towards a magical fairyland 😞

Girls do not choose to have imposed upon them the 'classic' form of FGM that safeguarding training looks out for. Warning signs are therefore far more subtle. This 'top surgery' form of FGM is, sadly, seen by the girls undergoing it as a wonderful thing that she has to keep secret because evil people will try to stop her. So much trickier to spot who will actually be operated upon and stop it from happening to her, when so many girls are caught in the grip of this ideology. Especially when so many adults are caught in its grip, too!

This has got me so wound up.

How the hell can a school turn a blind eye to this? There's no way they'd not find out somehow.

‘Including meals’

Thank fuck for that, because that would be my worry if I was getting my young teenager a mastectomy for cosmetic reasons.

Are meals included?

Mastectomies are not like ear piercings. My grandmother had awful arm lymph swellings after her's. There can be life long complications.

When I was 14 I was in a 34J bra! I got breasts at 11, as did lots of girls I knew.

Law/ safeguarding requirements - I'm unclear what they'll be.

Presumably, having done the deed, the parents will expect the NHS to pick up all the bills when there are problems in the aftermath. Then again, it’s also likely they haven’t considered the fact that there might be problems after such major surgery.

This is where the law they're proposing is necessary. School needs to be able to on report and also the hospitals, gps etc.

Absolutely no different.

This is just horrific.

(NC) I was recently made aware of a child who's mother was planning to take her abroad for a mastectomy. I believe ss were alerted. Don't know what happened thereafter. However they were 15, Scotland. Scotland has had school half terms in the last couple of weeks.

@BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz yes it is. For years we have been given training about looking for signs of girls at risk from FGM. This is no different.