Please update your email signature to include your pronouns

I love this.

This happened at my work. I just ignored it, nothing has ever been said and plenty of people didn't declare there pronouns.

There must have been a lot of pressure on our managers to do it as all of a sudden every single female manager (bar one slightly older manager) suddenly had their pronouns in their signature. It made me sad, these were women I respected and I can't help but inwardly cringe everytime I see it.

Funnily enough, none of the male managers have included their pronouns. Wonder why 🤔

This is the really important bit of that CEOs letter, I reckon:

“I am finding that peeps are no longer motivated by meaningful work — they are motivated to make political statements. They are using company time and company resources to win a game, against their opponents, in a game that is raging in their minds and on social media"

apart from that awful 'peeps', obviously

Who/me

I suspect some of my male colleagues would be asking, "what's a pronoun?" Fortunately, we haven't been asked, and I will not be doing so if we do. I have seen some mails with it on,mostly US-based women.

Our work said this but no one did it not even the woke members of the team. You see the odd email from London usually with them on.

I don't like those patronising paragraphs that say "I'm sending email outside of normal office hours but please don't feel you have to reply until your normal office hours". It worries me that people are so stupid now that they need to see that. I've literally never expected anyone to respond immediately and it's a real arsehole who berates people for not replying when they are OOO.

I found it head deskingly ironic when an email had 'Mrs Veronica smithe, she/her,' recently.

If pushed: 'My gender identity is private, and irrelevant to my work.'

I feel a little pop of disappointment when I see they've been added to someone's footer, especially when it's a woman I previously respected. I feel a sense of relief when a meeting that has gone well is followed up with an email, and there is no dreaded brackets after their name...

When I get a few in a row displaying them I feel marginalised and vulnerable. I recognise inducing those feelings in me, as a GC feminist, is very much unimportant though as my right to feel I work in an environment that includes me is of no interest....

Sorry. I figured i could wait to be the last one, someone has to be, no harm in that, but in the end i didn't have to address the issue.

Such a weird thread… don’t do it if you don’t want to? It’s optional. You’re creating a scenario about it becoming mandatory to find something to get mad about imo, that energy could be better used.

As is only just come up i think you can wait it out a bit. Someone enquired a similar request around my work place, i think it was a never of staff not in a management role, that certainly helps. I waited it out. Some folks did it, some didn't. I figured

Asking staff to declare pronouns is a way to appear progressive and forward thinking, without spending a dime. No wonder employers are keen. And I can see why young / naive employees fall for it

I read the article. Interesting to see he resigned / was sacked a month later

Could you ask for a list of pronouns then change them daily so no one can keep up, highlighting how silly it is?

Or ask if you identify as a man will you get paid more?

We have it at my work too but only about 10% of people have done it.

This was in the Times today if it helps...

Pronoun choice is harmful, says tech billionaire Ben Chestnut

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/62d14612-5174-11ed-af60-3f894fe60060?shareToken=e41ad705b3925f9a090daf4f8df1a718

One of our divisions did this and their director told our MD during a meeting it was a good idea to do it. Both men. The MD told him he wasn’t asking, inviting or telling anyone to put personal information in their work email signature and he would prefer if they ditched it to. Waiting to see what happens with that one.

We had this at work. I haven't done it and no one has said anything.

I think it would be a really interesting legal case if someone is compelled to have their pronouns in their signature given what was established in Forstater, that being gender critical is a protected philosophical belief.

Article 9(1) of the GDPR "provides a list of special categories of personal data whose processing is generally prohibited unless any of the exceptions under Article 9(2) GDPR applies. The list is exhaustive and includes data revealing racial or ethnic origin, political opinions, religious or philosophical beliefs, trade union membership, genetic data, biometric data for the purpose of uniquely identifying a natural person, data concerning health or a natural person's sex life or sexual orientation."

Even if someone wasn't relying on Forstater, sex life or sexual orientation is taken to include " information about an intended gender change or one that has already taken place". So if you made it mandatory and someone felt compelled to reveal a gender change or a non binary identity etc.

Any employer who does this is getting themselves in a minefield if they presume that making it optional will mean that they can benefit from the exceptions under 9(2), they're ostensibly getting you to reveal your beliefs by making it optional one could argue

gdprhub.eu/Article_9_GDPR

this/that

"As many people might be early on in their gender journey, it's problematic for you to ask them to 'out' themselves before they are ready and they might feel singled out and victimised." Outwoke them until they aren't ure what to even think. Also my name is unisex and my excuse has always been that people respect me more in emails when the assume I'm male so until women are treated equally at work I won't be disclosung what sex I am. No one has ever asked though.

It's all about authoritarian men, and their female handmaidens, telling women what they must do and think. Again. And again and again.

This ordinary woman tells them all, all the male and female misogynists, to fuck off.

I'm a woman.
Men and handmaidens can fuck right off from telling me what I can think and do.

If I get asked to do this, I'm going to put I/Me/You/It. If they queried it, I would just say "I don't even know what a pronoun is so I just Googled it and that's what Google says".

I just don't get this at all. Just be who you want to be. I'm just not interested in signing up to defining myself by pronouns and the big thing it's becoming.

Wow, I've just gone to write adult female or female on my Instagram - it's not fucking recognised??!!

Men can do their own safety survey.

Are women, born women obviously, safe on these local cycle lanes?