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Please update your email signature to include your pronouns

194 replies

Rosecottage888 · 22/10/2022 00:34

The email states (at the bottom) that this is optional.

I knew it was coming, saw other threads from people who's organisations asked the same. I won't do it, just wanted a moan here.

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AllBlocChain · 22/10/2022 15:38

M’lord suffice 🙂

HPFA · 22/10/2022 15:36

My understanding is that trans activists generally still claim to be against the mandating of pronoun use because it might force someone to "out" themselves.

So I don't think it will count against you - they'll probably be happy to assume either the above or that you just couldn't be bothered.

We've just been given the option of pronouns in name badges but tbf to the organisation they've stressed very strongly that it's not compulsory.

Candymay · 22/10/2022 13:27

@StapFooterin 😂

StapFooterin · 22/10/2022 11:45

My pronouns are Take/A/Wild/Fucking/Guess.

mincemallow · 22/10/2022 11:29

Would anyone be expected to put race / religion in their email signature? No.

guerillastyle · 22/10/2022 10:57

They've been pushing this at my site for about a year now and almost nobody has added their pronouns (I can think of about 5 people out of 400). Globally the company uptake has been higher and now HR are focussing on our site as they are 'concerned' people cannot be their authentic self ... for context I work in a science related industry at a manufacturing site in the north with predominantly male staff and management

Wombat100 · 22/10/2022 10:52

ZeldaFighter · 22/10/2022 10:06

In the flesh, I'm obviously a real laydee but I'm very tempted to put he/him and tediously correct my colleagues every time they get it wrong.

I'll sit in team meetings and give everyone a big smile as they say "He did a lovely piece of work in his office" - I might even wear a tight dress to highlight my lady bumps 😀
(And the absurdity)

🤣🤣🤣

FatAgainItsLettuceTime · 22/10/2022 10:35

Just don't do it, we had the same about 6 months ago and my very unscientific pill shows that about 80% of people just didn't do it. It's actually really noticeable when someone has.

SheWoreYellow · 22/10/2022 10:32

I work with someone in a different agency who has ‘any’. I quite like that.

Musomama1 · 22/10/2022 10:30

Bloody / Obvious

Just seen a pronoun poster in my doctor's surgery. The average age of the patients is probably around 60. Made my head spin.

ThirtyThreeTrees · 22/10/2022 10:28

My gender/sexuality/age/race/religion have zero impact on my ability to do my job so I won't be adding anything to my email signature/linkedin etc.

My name is the only identifier people need.

ZeldaFighter · 22/10/2022 10:06

In the flesh, I'm obviously a real laydee but I'm very tempted to put he/him and tediously correct my colleagues every time they get it wrong.

I'll sit in team meetings and give everyone a big smile as they say "He did a lovely piece of work in his office" - I might even wear a tight dress to highlight my lady bumps 😀
(And the absurdity)

silverclock222 · 22/10/2022 09:51

notanothertakeaway · 22/10/2022 08:50

"I don't feel emotionally safe to declare my pronouns" should cover all bases

Love it, thank you!

Lysianthus · 22/10/2022 09:34

There's a great newish intro on Americast. It includes the sound bite "My name is Ted Cruz, and my pronouns are Kiss My A$$". I love hearing it every time.

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 22/10/2022 09:27

Go all Latin on them!

ea/eius/ei/eam = she/hers/for her/her

Livelovebehappy · 22/10/2022 09:24

Optional where I am. It’s totally pointless, and means nothing to others reading it. It’s like virtue signalling - look at me being all woke and with it. Our boss told us to do it if possible, but it’s optional. I then judged my colleagues who immediately started doing it, because it seemed it was more for career progression and to please the boss, than actually giving a toss.

DontCallMeBaby · 22/10/2022 09:08

We have quite a lot of pronouns going on (including in a lovely educational piece from a chap who claimed he could call everyone in the room ‘they/them’ without causing offence; still fuming about that*). No hint of them being mandated yet. If it ever happens or if I’m even asked why I don’t have them, I have a variety of arguments lined up:

  • The ‘people on a gender journey’ argument as above, backed up with yogyakartaprinciples.org/principle-6/ “The right to privacy ordinarily includes the choice to disclose or not to disclose information relating to one’s sexual orientation or gender identity”. I’m not keen on this one tbh but I think it’s the most likely to work on those who are really committed to this stuff.
  • Stereotype threat en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotype_threat DH works for the same organisation and likes this one a lot - it’s a male-dominated, technical organisation but he works for a high-achieving female engineer.
  • ”I don’t have a gender identity, therefore if you ask me to put my pronouns in my sig block you’re asking me to declare my sex. Does that sound appropriate to you? Are there any other protected characteristics you’d like me to declare every time I email anyone?”
  • Calling everyone they/them is apparently fine, unless they’re clearly presenting as the opposite sex, in which case it’s offensive. So you can call me they/them even though I’m clearly female and you’re just being silly, but if my boss turns up in a dress we’d have to call him she/her (although he, sadly, does have pronouns in his sig block, so it’d actually be very confusing).
RosesAndHellebores · 22/10/2022 09:03

I have thought about this at length. If my workplace makes it mandatory I shall put:

Mrs Roses Hellebores
Director of HR

My pronouns are I and me; others may refer to me as she/her.

I am in the twilight of my career. If the executive team want to make this mandatory, I shall be resigning.

Waitwhat23 · 22/10/2022 09:01

bigshoutout · 22/10/2022 07:07

Such a weird thread… don’t do it if you don’t want to? It’s optional. You’re creating a scenario about it becoming mandatory to find something to get mad about imo, that energy could be better used.

This shows just how 'optional' this is in some organisations -

www.holyrood.com/news/view,majority-of-scottish-government-civil-servants-say-theyll-never-add-pronouns-to-their-email-signatures

When the organisers of a Pronoun Pledge team use words like 'persuade' and 'educate', it's quite clear that it's not optional.

Boomboom22 · 22/10/2022 08:57

By that I do mean eg Debbie Hayton, those with severe dysphoria who make the informed choice to become post op, as adults, and who recognise women's rights.

TeaAndCock · 22/10/2022 08:56

We were asked a year ago or so to update the hr system with this stuff (optionally) and if you add your pronouns others can then see it on your profile. I've ignored it, it's irrelevant. From what I can see most people have ignored in my company.

Boomboom22 · 22/10/2022 08:56

Slowly slowly the tide is turning. Don't comply, every one who doesn't sends a signal that this whole contagion is starting to fizzle out. There will always be a small number of genuine trans people but the mass contagion and medicalisation of children is, I believe, on the way down.

Maireas · 22/10/2022 08:55

notanothertakeaway · 22/10/2022 08:50

"I don't feel emotionally safe to declare my pronouns" should cover all bases

That's brilliant. I'm going to use that.

Terftrain · 22/10/2022 08:51

I love it. It clearly demonstrates those who can think for themselves and those who cannot.

Most people who have adopted this in their emails/zoom or selected the new ish drop down feature on LinkedIn or Insta are doing it because they see others doing it or they mistakenly think they’re being “inclusive” and doing the right thing. If they’d properly looked into it and researched for themselves, they’d have to pretty stupid to still go along with it.

notanothertakeaway · 22/10/2022 08:50

"I don't feel emotionally safe to declare my pronouns" should cover all bases