Another surrogacy nightmare

This should NEVER have been allowed to happen. Especially when they had no back up funds for emergencies, given they were born abroad. Whether one or three babies, special care was always a possibility. I feel sorry for the babies.

Also, I'm sure my opinion will be unpopular, but I don't know what is worse. His spelling, punctuation and grammar, or the name Renesmee 🤦‍♀️ a Twilight fan no doubt.

I'm against all surrogacy.

@NicLondon1 I am against Commercial Surrogacy in all forms, especially Internationally, for moral reasons. Doesn't matter for the Intended Parents are. I have a lot of sympathy for those who cannot have biological children naturally, including gay men.

I acknowledge that altruistic Surrogacy has less moral complications and know that women do make this choice. I also acknowledge that this maybe coercive and there should be protection against it.

NicLondon

the boundary is at renting the use of a woman’s uterus

However, are those of you against surrogacy for gay couples also against surrogacy for infertile straight couples?

Yes I am. It has nothing to do with them being gay apart from the obvious misogyny its about they buying and selling of babies and womens bodies.

As for IVF along as they are not renting another womans womb then it's nothing like surrogacy.

Sorry, just read the article (thanks for link @TheClogLady). Really excellent bit of journalism.

This bit stood out:
The bargain prices available in Kenya are at the expense of desperate surrogates, who are paid far less than their counterparts in the West.

While the businesses advertise Kenya as a safe, friendly and affordable country, parents are often unclear whether this option is legal or not. In reality, parents are at risk of losing their money, children, or both, to surrogates and to the state.

Given how high profile this case is, I don't think these men will be able to take the babies they paid for out of the country.

I have no idea if coercion or informed consent took place, there is no evidence that it did either. And I totally agree they should have been fully informed, I said that in my original post, the agency has failed them.

However, are those of you against surrogacy for gay couples also against surrogacy for infertile straight couples? Are you against IVF?
I mean, is it natural straight pregnancy or nothing, or where is the boundary?

I am reading the room and that's why I'm curious. Thank you.

Had anyone queried as to why there are triplets?

is this down to 3 embryos being place? Isn’t this considered too risky a practice & increases risk hugely?

that poor woman, those poor babies.

some people should get themselves a puppy & maybe that’s unfair on the puppy.

As to happy surrogates, is that a bit like a happy ‘hooker’?

NicLondon1 how can all parties be happy when the babies get no say in the matter? There are reasons babies are only taken from their mothers at birth for very serious reasons.

NicLondon

did you really say ‘just carries the baby’

ffs

This is horrific. I can't believe people are paying into that gofundme to help him complete his purchase. Paying someone to carry triplets is shocking, sickening that it was allowed. I would also question how much of that money the poor surrogate is going to see if the agency is as unethical as he claims.

If he is a traveller then chances are he has little to no education but someone should have sat him down and explained what a triplet birth means for mom and babies. Surely the chances of a full term birth and all three babies emerging happy and healthy was extremely slim. There was always going to be a somewhat prolonged hospital stay involved.

I don't know what should happen with those poor babies but this man has proved that he isn't fit to be a parent. I really hope if he does get those children back to ireland that Tusla keep a very close eye on him.

Everyone is not entitled to everything all the time. How do you suggest I have another baby huh? I'm old and it's not happening. I have an inherent right to a baby though right? How do you suggest I do it?

Ridiculous.

Geez @NicLondon1 ... read the room... these are feckless idiots who still think they have a right to buy babies from a woman who has been exploited. Give your money away if you want to but please do not split hairs over whether this is human trafficking or buying babies and your comment about the surrogate who "just carried the babies" really misses the point that people on here are trying to make.

Gay couples (and let's be clear it is usually gay men) who go abroad to buy babies should not just be informed about the risk of exposure to extra costs... they should be fully informed about the risks they are asking another human to go through so that they can have something that no human has an ultimate right to have. It is exploitation of women and their bodies and in this case there is no evidence that the decision to 'carry' these three babies was even remotely without coercion or informed consent.

How do you suggest gay couples have babies...? Are you saying they should adopt only?

Gay couples cannot have babies as they are both male or both female although females can artificially inseminate but males will always need to rent a woman.
Nobody is entitled to be a parent and renting womens bodies and buying babies is morally and ethically wrong.
Yes I believe those that cannot have children should adopt not purchase babies.

@SirSamVimesCityWatch @RoseslnTheHospital How do you suggest gay couples have babies...? Are you saying they should adopt only?

I have friends currently going through surrogacy, and the surrogates are not victims, they love doing it and love being pregnant. There is a whole community of surrogates who do make a living from this and enjoy it.

(Not saying that was the case in this case, in which it is entirely possible a poor Kenyan woman was exploited, but I'm not against it when it works and all parties are happy)

Who don't? Kenya?

What a depressing tale.

I only feel for the children. The 2 men in this I could not care about and I hope they go bankrupt since they rented a woman body and bought babies.

Those babies are very large for 32 weeks. Also they don't permit gay or single people to adopt.

Absolutely disgusting and they still think they're the only victims in this. No living being should be bought and sold.

twitter.com/naipanoilepapa

The work this Kenyan journalist has done is outstanding.

This is the second part, mostly about the legal issues post birth.

africauncensored.online/hard-labour-the-surrogacy-industry-in-kenya-part-ii/

I’m off to find her Twitter!

It also answers the question about him being in a gay relationship and highlights to why he didn’t mention his partner. Kenya are not very same sex friendly

Those are some large, very healthy-looking 'premature' babies in that second picture.

yes I thought this too! I assumed I’d got the timeline wrong instead of wondering if it was a scam.

but now you say it, it’s clearly a scam.