Another surrogacy nightmare

I wouldn't be surprised if he was hoping for triplets, to be honest, and that's why three were transferred.

I read his claim that it was done without his knowledge but privately paid for fertility doctors, whether they are in Kenya, Ireland or Ukraine, will not spend the time and resources preparing 3 embryos (when one will do) if this hasn't been agreed and paid for.

To imply it was done without knowledge and consent also suggests that the doctors are not operating within limits and can 'go rogue'. I have no experience of Kenya's fertility clinics but I very much doubt that it wasn't a very deliberate act, like the rest of the surrogacy arrangement. I also like to think that the surrogate mother knew before all three were transferred.

Now that he has these three, prematurely born, newborn baby girls I hope he doesn't need another crowdfunder for nappies and formula. I'm surprised at the speed this was done and can only guess that the legal granting of parental rights and permission to leave the country was done quickly to get rid of him and transfer the babies to a country with a national health service.

One day these children will learn what their fathers did. At least one of them will need to formally adopt them to obtain any legal parental rights and this will all be documented and their mother will also be named on the original birth certificate.

The commissioning person(s) wishes are being entirely centred here. Ignoring all other moral issues with surrogacy, it is selfish beyond belief to take such a risk of having three babies at once from one pregnancy. The odds of all three implanting were unacceptably high and it's not him who will live with any health issues of prematurity. It's those babies who will.

I wouldn't be surprised if he was hoping for triplets, to be honest, and that's why three were transferred.

Certainly not to a woman without fertility problems, which women undergoing IVF for surrogacy purposes are!

It is madness to transfer so many.

Oh my God the comments on this article on Facebook would make you weep. All congee and love hearts. What is wrong with people??

Zero mention of the woman who carried TRIPLETS. Jesus I hope I am alive for the tribunal of enquiry into this shitshow when it comes.

He says "Ireland needs to change its laws" but they were born in Kenya to a Kenyan woman and yet, he still got them home in under a month. What law in Ireland caused the delay. He cannot seem to acknowledge there was a very justified medical bill.

The commodities babies have been imported brought to Ireland. Apparently they were nearly three months premature. So the Irish health/social care/education system will be bearing the burden of these fragile children throughout their lives.

m.independent.ie/regionals/dublin/dublin-news/our-daughters-are-home-finally-irish-couple-reunited-with-surrogate-triplets-born-in-kenya-42116141.html

Offering up their wombs

Yes, so annoying that irish women aren't offering up their women's for minimum wage.
He was so lucky he got those babies back to Ireland and he feels like a wronged victim.

'Couples like us shouldn't have to go abroad' so does he expect that the Irish government should subsidise the costs?
Or perhaps he thinks that women in Ireland should be pushed into becoming surrogate mothers or egg donors, and be sanctioned at the JobCentre (or whatever the Irish equivalent is called) if they can't get suitable work and refuse to do this.
What is he suggesting exactly?

What is wrong with adopting /fostering a child?

I don't think this particular man is too bright and he hasnt really thought it through, but it's easy to imagine where this could lead. It makes me shudder.

They're from Ireland though, so not UK law (I don't think?)

I'm sure it's the costs- three babies etc.

yeh two embryos is the limit

I see he managed to get the babies back to Ireland. His go fund me raised 40,000 euro. Wow. He flew out with his sister not his partner, so I guess they turned a blind eye to his relationship. I hope the babies are ok now. The HSE will be picking up the tab now and nobody will be ''go funding'' that.

I doubt an Irish clinic would transfer three embryos? That’s an extremely high risk pregnancy for mother and babies…

They say 'Couples like us shouldn't have to go to abroad'

I imagine this is to do with parental rights and how restrictions on the criteria is more relaxed than it in the U.K rather than it being about cost/payment. Their argument being that the U.K. needs to update its 'outdated' law (I have noticed how frequently this is emphasised as a reason for reform) to align with 'modern families'.

Kenya isn't a good example as there are no specific surrogacy laws but other countries such as Georgia, Ukraine and most American States provide parental rights at birth, which is a central point of the proposed law reform in England, Wales and Scotland. Ireland is a different kettle of fish entirely.

There are also different restrictions in other countries than the proposals here, for example Ukraine won't allow it for same-sex couples (same as Kenya) and surrogacy agencies in America require the surrogate mother to have had previous successful pregnancies and live births.

They say 'Couples like us shouldn't have to go to abroad'

What stopped them doing it at home? Was it not a cost issue? Irish women and clinics needing greater recompense than those in Kenya?

Not a scam. He got the babies "home" by shelling out loads of cash

‘Our daughters are home, finally’ – Irish couple reunited with surrogate triplets born in Kenya
www.independent.ie/regionals/dublin/dublin-news/our-daughters-are-home-finally-irish-couple-reunited-with-surrogate-triplets-born-in-kenya-42116141.html

I'm sure this thread has moved on, but I just had to say that when I reached this post I was thinking the same thing. That gofundme page sounds like a scam email.

Wow. These people think they’re at the pick’n’mix counter.

Barrie and his fiancé Scot did have another child, a bit this time. Born again via surrogacy in August.

Barrie is also a sperm donor so he has other genetic children.

Honestly where is the ethics committee in this?

This is America, which is pretty much the Wild West of surrogacy and is only a hop, skip, junk away from Ukraine levels of exploitation.

There are no ethics, only profits.

Poor Saffron, she has been fed some very strange ideas and values in her short life. She is barely 20, I dread to think what this poor girl is going to do with the rest of her time in the tabloids on earth.

Wow, that just beggars belief doesn't it?
That poor girl growing up obliged to offer her egg.

“..Barrie had enough boys..”

Wow. These people think they’re at the pick’n’mix counter.

I just can't even ... with that stuff about Saffron Drewitt Barlow

Keeping Up with the Kardashians… innit?

Commercial surrogacy is just another celebrity influencer purchase to brag about on Insta.

And Saffron has internalised that pregnancy is a career option, providing a service to those rich enough to avoid it? Like I dunno, cleaning or laundry? Something the privileged outsource to the less privileged?