Hospital refuses to operate after woman requests all-female care

MNHQ doesn’t allow abusive posts.

It does allow for pointing out flaws in arguments, prejudices that might underlie points and bad faith posting where posters seem more interested in denigrating women who don’t accept males as females than engaging with the topic of the thread.

Wow, I’m not quite sure how you got that from the post you responded to. But thanks for pointing out that I am right about everything and am both the official victim and the official winner of this thread, neener neener. (I know this is what you really meant because I’m a monumental narcissist.)

I don’t accept charitable donations in lieu of apologies but you can PayPal me for my emotional labour, everyone. Cheers!

Lumos is a great charity if anyone fancies it 👍

If you'd care to point out the 'personal abuse' specifically, I will be glad to report it to HQ as against guidelines. All I'd seen was disagreement with you and explanations on why. But we don't do hair shirts and pandering here.

You're very good at twisting peoples words, I'll give you that.

I’m glad that you have identified that the personal abuse I am subjected to here is both vile and uncalled for.

As always, I will accept donations to charities
in lieu of apologies.

You can tell when someone simply doesn't have an argument when their posts turn to talking about what posters on this board are like. We could all be horrible harridans, it makes no difference to the position I am putting across.

Play the ball, not the player.

Well said

Racism and performative superiority

It's bully mentality, this kind of twit just needs to find what their particular gang declare as the characteristic that makes you the prey.

For some it's skin colour
For some it's size/disability
For some it's women having rights

Varies according to fashion. Same kind of twit though.

Same.

I'm currently at the beach though, so in my case it was sand.

It was never about women for them in the end. It was just for the clout I guess…

This post reminds me of a few years back. I had a lot of friends who were performing feminists. For the longest time they were moaning about how Taylor Swift had all this power but wasn’t using it to “help women” because she wouldn’t disclose her political beliefs or announce that she was feminist.

When Taylor finally caved to the public they then complained that she was a “white feminist” and said her feminism was bad and they didn’t care. They then laughed when she was sexually assaulted and sued the guy for a penny to make a point and they said it didn’t matter because she was a bad feminist.

That always stuck in my mind. When I asked them to explain why she was a white feminist they simply shared one picture of her “friends” saying they were all white. I asked for more reasons than just having some white friends and they changed the subject. This was the same group of friends who emotionally black mailed me into saying I was a feminist when at the time I wasn’t really ready and didn’t feel like I understood what it meant. It’s like they were just recruiting women for the sake of it.

I find it really really weird. They got their way with Taylor Swift but still found a way to make her the bad guy in the end. What the actual fuck?

This.

Except for the lawn part.

(I only have a yard filled with pots - defo needs a little tidy up for winter)

I also went out and touched some grass earlier- lawn just about dry enough for another mow, so thanks for the advice.

Yeah... me too! Snap!

Let's face it. We are getting a great example right here of 'performative' feminism, aren't we?

From someone who has little empathy except for who they decree worthy of it, which is not women of particular beliefs. Apparently, like some other posters who seem to be very entrenched in 'deserving' women should only be centred, those women of distasteful beliefs should be ignored and their needs dismissed.

It is like those who posted Allison Bailey's tweet as a 'gotcha' for her wrong think. The one that said that she would work for all women, even those whose views she found abhorrent. And some people thought it was proof of her 'alignment' with those women.

Whereas any reasonable person, feminist or not, understands the collective nature of feminism and that feminists work for improving the lives of ALL females.

But I suspect that if you are only performing a superficial version of feminism OR am only on a feminist board to denigrate women who disagree with you, that little nuance would not occur to you.

Or, you are changing the meaning of the word feminist to suit your own desires.

They might need some adjustment to enable them to do so.

Quite. That's what baffles me.

TQ+ Politics: Everyone needs to make massive, massive adjustments to everything for TQ+ people. Change your language, change your services, own clinics and pathways, special exceptions and exemptions to waiting lists, staff specially qualified and knowledgeable

Women: Ok, we see the sense in a lot of that, definitely should be that TQ+ people are accommodated. We need same sex provision to continue alongside as many of us need them for our own equality and accessibility-

TQ+ Politics: NO! No accommodations! Absolutely unreasonable! Fuck your access! Have what you're given or go without care at all!

I think organised religion is shit. I think denying religious women healthcare is shit. I managed to type these two thoughts without my brain crumbling.

I also went out and touched some grass earlier- lawn just about dry enough for another mow, so thanks for the advice.

Creating excuses for religions that abuse and limit the lives of women is not feminism.
Saying feminists support religion is like saying feminists hate prostituted women because they criticise protstitution. Its the same false argument.

Religious women have as much right to participate in society as anyone else. They might need some adjustment to enable them to do so. So what? how does that hurt you?
landOFconfusion; if you really want to help women leave a situation, you have to give them a place to go. Come up with better solutions, because telling women to leave their entire family and culture for no other reason than because you say so isn't going to cut it.

Some absolutely outstanding posts late last night and this morning from posters.

Yes, including yours nils.

The almost impossible lengths that some men will go to to force women into unconsenting touching, is extraordinary.

And of course their misogyny seeps out. They literally can't help it. It's their driving force.

Aided and abetted by their racism and ageism, of course. There are no tools they will not employ in order to dominate women.

They never seem to realise, either, that there are no arguments which justify it. So the ones they use keep failing under scrutiny.

I know this sentiment gets trotted out as a bit of an insult, but I'm genuine - it's a bloody awful way to live your life. Really pathetic.

Some absolutely outstanding posts late last night and this morning from posters. This is why I hang out here; smart women with the ability to express and share reasoning and articulate all this.

It also articulates so well what worries me most about identity politics:

that once you make it ok to dehumanise any humans because of a characteristic you don't like, once you make it ok to non-person other humans you feel inferior to you -

you are left with nothing more than the hope that you manage to stay in with the in crowd. And it's only a matter of time before you are depersoned yourself.

Embracing the whole 'it's ok to treat people I don't like in this way cos I'm superior' is an immature, if not downright childish and highly regressive way of thinking, and makes you no different to slavers, colonialists, all the things that gender ideologists spend so much time ranting about the evils of but really do not understand .

There is no point ranting about the evils of slavery and throwing statues in harbours and having kittens because there's a painting in a public building of a person who's aunt's sister's wife's hamster once was involved in the slave trade when you hold the view that women who politically don't agree with you and won't do what you say should lose their health care, have less civil rights, be raped, be murdered.

The slavers felt and behaved exactly the same: they just chose skin colour as the determiner of who got raped and who got to laugh about it.

There was a bloody world war in the 40s to put all of these awful, childish, 'my team are ok' traditions behind us. Possibly if those who spit on anyone two minutes past the age of 25 as old and past it and white and cis and multiple other terms of dehumanising others actually managed to get out of their own self fascination long enough to listen to one of those people with a bit of life experience they might realise the absolute idiocy of all this.

Right, shows up the misogyny in fine detail.

Brilliant.

Whut?

Criticise all you want, fill yer boots mate. And if they choose to, the religious women you are so deprecating of can argue back. I'm not one of them.

Still even if they gave up their religion tomorrow (the men wont let them, but that's another thread) where do they go and how will this prevent them needing women only (cunty type) care?

It's not solely religion that makes us women want no men in our, prisons, wards, sports etc. You do realise that "fact"

That is because you are a reasonable and respectful person.

Not one of a special group who wants dispensation to get away with punishing women for wrong think.

I do remember seeing internet posts from healthcare workers years ago stating “I will still provide health care to you (even if you are racist) because that’s what I do” (I can’t link to any of this but I guess people have seen things like this before.

it used to be something health practitioners prided themselves on (and Tbf it probably still is) We’re into very unstable ground if health care can be refused for beliefs you don’t agree with. (I appreciate safety is paramount and violent actions are different)

On the racism point, does anyone know what is the legal position if a patient racistly requests a care team of all white / all British/ all Indian etc? I've said previously that years ago, I was told to just ignore it in customer service.

I imagine a healthcare professional would treat the human in front of them, racist piece of sh*t or not.