Hospital refuses to operate after woman requests all-female care

@PurgatoryOfPotholes

Thanks.

So the PGH is neither capable of understanding the most basic of medical ethics nor does it seem to be looking after its shareholders' interests.

@Coyoacan Please see this post made at the time.

No, there’s a single sex exemption and this would come under it.

Presumably the issue is that the employee would say they're a female nurse and can provide nursing care in that situation. In that situation, I guess they're slightly stuck between a rock and a hard place legally.

@grass321

I'm not sure I see the conflict for the hospital as an employer. They are not revealing any information about a staff member if they comply with a patient request for single-sex care.

I guess the issue is whether single sex care encompasses transwomen nurses. Personally, if I was the nurse, I'd not want to cause any of my patients discomfort or embarrassment. I side with the patient but I can see it also puts the hospital in a difficult position as an employer too.

I've been a patient of the PG for a couple of years and recently stayed for five nights for a second surgery. I'm sure it has patients from the ME but they're not the majority. The nursing care was excellent from both the female and male nurses.

But I can understand why the patient was aggrieved to have her surgery cancelled in her particular circumstances.

AFAIK, that hospital has a lot of wealthy patients from the Middle East, surely they cannot be happy with enforced opposite sex care.

I wonder what the board and shareholders think of the decision to waste all the time and resources that had been allocated to the op for a political principle? And the resulting disastrous PR?
These were my thoughts, too. The hospital are a business with a duty of care to patients and a mandate to make money for the shareholders. Their decisions are baffling on both fronts. I would like to hear the doctors' thoughts, too.

I remember when this happened, the shock and uproar, and the concern for this very ill person in a vulnerable position. I am glad she is better and grateful that she is speaking up. I wasn't aware of her professional background. It seems the hospital picked on the wrong person.

I wonder what the board and shareholders think of the decision to waste all the time and resources that had been allocated to the op for a political principle? And the resulting disastrous PR?

They're an American business though so maybe they don't care.

Or they actually thought she deserved to die = terrifying.

Thinking of that horrible “lesbian nana” from West Yorkshire Police… the repulsive smug look on her face as she stood there with her arms folded watching four grown men dragging a terrified disabled teenage girl around.

It’s worth remembering her expression. I imagine someone very like her made this decision. I think they actually do think other women deserve to die for thinking wrong thoughts. (Or of course it could have been a male TRA; but murderous misogyny in male TRAs is not even surprising enough to discuss.)

It made my blood boil to read the description of the outlandish, designed to attract attention, red lipstick and deliberate eye contact.
It might not strike a chord with people who don’t understand but we most definitely DO. Clear as day and for one purpose only.

Like a dog pissing on a lampost.

That operation seems to have been quite a major, lifesaving procedure.

I am not a doctor, but could cancelling it at such short notice actually have proven fatal? And doctors, at a hospital, would surely be able to see that?

So they were actually prepared to let her die? With a really clear paper trail showing precisely why they made that decision?

Did they think that if she had died, they would not have been held to account, or that whichever body held them to account would not have found them responsible? There would have been no repercussions?

So either they had no idea that she might actually DIE = grossly incompetent.

Or they actually thought she deserved to die = terrifying.

There is existing provision for requesting a same sex HCP so any examples of I was offered or I objected to are not relevant.

It is only a problem when the person objecting/requesting makes it clear that they require trans HCP to be classed as their sex not their gender identity.

Apparently having the temerity to state that you believe that someone’s gender identity does not make them the opposite sex results in being cancelled. In HEALTHCARE. Maybe the new strap line should be trans people are literally killing gender critical people.

This is just an update on this case.

https://mol.im/a/12398959

Yes. It's been going for years in society, the thought-terminating cliche that "Transwomen ARE women".

The simple truth is that TRANSWOMEN ARE MEN has a lot of catching up to do. So many people think transwomen are women who want to be men. And that "transmen" should be the name for men who want to be women.

But when you point up people like Karen White, male trans claimant, man put in a female prison, went on to commit sexual assaults. Surprise surprise!! Yeah, no.

She really is one of the best writers on women's rights issues:

The argument against trans women in sex-segregated spaces is not based on their transness, but their maleness. People pretend that’s not true, however. In keeping with the “do nothing” preferences of the bystander, many people would rather impute bigotry and bad faith to rape victims than deviate from the “trans women are women” thought-terminating cliché in which they have become invested.

That's Victoria's second belter this week. The point about activists reflecting their shame back at the victims of their beliefs is a particularly acute one.

Thank you for the link

Also, it's a private hospital. You would think that they would make looking after clients a priority

I'd love to know what, if anything, happened to the CEO of the Princess Grace. But who slaps a CEO on the wrist anyway - herself?

And it's very worryingly that Maxine Eastop Green is also a trustee of a hospice. She's shown she's unfit for any such role, imo.

This is all so scary and nightmarish

Brilliant article

Article on this by Victoria Smith in the Critic

thecritic.co.uk/issues/december-january-2023/the-trans-shaming-of-a-rape-survivor/

I hope she's keeping court action in her back pocket. In the interim getting through the medical procedure and using the leverage the hospital have given her to try to restore the need for reasonable accommodations for the dignity and safety of male and female patients.

Shocking she was put through this. I would like to see them taken to the cleaners, pounded on a flat stone.

I expect the reason she's not taking them to court is that her first priority is getting her health situation resolved. Which I'm sure is the best choice for her, and she shouldn't have to martyr herself to any cause.

However, I'm disappointed that there isn't going to be a case brought against the hospital after their disgusting treatment of this woman. At the very least, the male individual who harrassed her should be fired.