Hospital refuses to operate after woman requests all-female care

And why have you focused on this?

It makes no difference to the fact that she asked for female only care and was denied and actually had her surgery cancelled.

To focus on the nurse is a distraction.

And staff don’t generally barge into a private room, eyeball the patient then walk out without saying anything. Odd, no?

The patient saw a male person in the doorway, wearing lipstick.

If the staff member is simply a male person who likes lipstick, and who does not deny his sex or expect others to do so, then PGH had plenty of opportunity to reassure Teresa of that.

Easy for the hospital to deny then.

And yet we don't actually know if the staff member in question was actually trans or not, the patient presumed them to be from a brief moment of eye contact?

And yet... that is from the health care provider's perspective and NOT from the patient.

But hey.... don't worry about those patients and their needs, you know... patient led care. Just tell the rape victim that they have to accept what they get and fuck their needs!

How would you phrase that by the way? Would it be 'yes, I hear you. I understand that you are rape survivor, but the reality is that your needs don't count. We need to give you a bed bath and believe us... as a male health care provider I have seen it all! Don't worry, you haven't got anything that I have never seen before so you'll be fine. Being a traumatised rape survivor makes NO difference to me at all! No... no... I have to bathe you. That is my job. Why are you making my job so difficult!'

Would that be like the conversation you would think was appropriate? Reassuring the rape survivor that the male about to touch her intimately without her consent that 'they have given bed baths to many women who have never complained. And they 'have seen it all before'?'

Another great example of posters giving a live demonstration of just how people supporting extreme activist claims think.

It's not really about whether the member of staff 'has seen it all before'. You're focusing on the staff member rather than the patient. The patient would prefer that a male isn't the person who washes her vulva, anus and breasts (i.e. providing what is referred to as 'intimate care') while she is vulnerable and conscious.

Can you really not see the difference between this and being unconscious under anaesthetic?

Got it in one. For someone in medicine at any level they have seen it all before so giving a man a bed bath is no different to a woman etc

Hard agree. There is no way on earth that that man who barged in did so accidentally, it was a power play pure and simple.

This is the very simple truth. What a disgrace — and enforced by supposedly caring health professionals.

Do you always tell women that they are hateful for wanting another female doing their intimate care?

You seem to be rather ignorant of medical care if you cannot tell the difference between a surgery and intimate after care. But thanks for showing readers just how ignorant and bereft of empathy or even logic that extreme activists have. Those who insist that women have to accept male people as being 'women' just like them.

Not only that, you seem to be ignorant of the difference between 'male' and 'minority'. You have just weaponised minorities and their needs to leverage the demands of male people. This really does lack coherence and, indeed, consistency when reviewed in context of safeguarding female people.

So, well done and thanks for the live demonstration.

Suspect the poster is here to promote men's rights (on a feminist board)?

I don't know if donnawinters genuinely doesn't understand the issue, or if they are being purposefully contrary and missing the point on purpose?

Big difference between a surgical team and intimate care (eg bed bath, help with toileting etc) post op.

If I understand correctly both her surgeon and anaesthetist were men which she was ok with, so it isn't even about wanting female staff. She just had an issue with the possibility a staff member might be trans.

Replace "trans" with literally any other minority group and the narrative would certainly be very different.

It's unconfirmed if the staff member who "made eye contact with her" was even trans at all.

But being legally a woman ( if the nurse has a GRC) does not make you female, and single sex exemptions still apply.

All the more reason to have sex defined very clearly and absolutely in the EA. If the say so of the Chairman of the EHRC is not providing confidence that employers already have the right to provide single sex exceptions under the Act and so they won’t utilise those exceptions, they are pointless to have.

The fact that the assurances of the Chair of the EHRC end up meaningless compared to the advice of Stonewall is concerning.

Thanks purgatory for that reminder. I wonder though if the PGH ever did research into why they lost that segment of patients?

The woman who wrote the letter - hospital liaison? Is she still in the job?

*overruled by some jumped up manager not overused!
Though they probably are too!

From the article:

Which is a huge deal in a hospital,’ she points out. ‘Two leading surgeons, and their teams, were stood down. It was done at such a late stage that another team — of robotic experts, in a different location — turned up, only to be turned away.
‘A high-dependency ward space, robotic suite and open-surgery suite were left lying empty. I dread to think of the costs involved.’

I have wondered if the surgeons were given any opportunity to have a say in this. I suppose not but the surgeons I know would have been furious in a situation like this. And most are very concerned for their patients, that's why they do the job, I would expect that they would have been appalled.

I don't think Teresa has mentioned any interaction with her surgeons about the situation, presumably if they offered sympathy/outrage it needed to be off the record and their identities and practice protected. Which is fair enough obviously. Though I think most private surgeons also work in the NHS and any surgeon working in the NHS is used to being overused by some jumped up manager with no medical knowledge and having operations cancelled at the last minute for various reasons so maybe they just shrugged their shoulders and set about trying to make new arrangements for her (or more likely telling their secretaries to do so).

Shows they are more scared of the fallout from ‘defying’ one of the sexes huh?

Which shows what could happen once the recent conflation of " identifies as a woman" and being female are conflated. Sex matters.

Indeed. At that point, it becomes legally difficult as both an employer and provider of care.

I'm not saying it's right but I guess the employer has the risk of their employee suing them for discrimination, or whatever the legal recourse would be. Hence they chose to avoid the situation by cancelling the surgery.

Which shows what could happen once the recent conflation of " identifies as a woman" and being female are conflated. Sex matters.

IME it's sufficiently popular that I doubt it's affecting the shareholders.

Private patients tend to focus on the consultants, rather than the hospital, and the HCA London hospitals have some outstanding consultants in their fields. That drives the demand for the hospital and nursing care.