Hospital refuses to operate after woman requests all-female care

Sex. There are same sex exemptions. * *

I guess it would be considered discriminatory to refuse to see a professional based on their gender alone.

It's well known that some women prefer to have female only care in intimate situations. The NHS says they will do what they can to support it where possible, so no it isn't considered "discriminatory" by default.

Do you live in the U.K.?

with person centred care there are always service user preferences. It just takes a bit of arranging to meet requests of female care but it’s certainly doable and quite a common request.

Because the nurse who this patient considered to be trans was treating her. And the patient didn't like this.
I guess it would be considered discriminatory to refuse to see a professional based on their gender alone.
I'm sure I've been treated by a variety of nurses & doctors of probably all genders & I'm just honestly grateful when my medical needs are taken seriously.

Any male employee who is going to be 'seriously distressed' by not being allowed to intimately handle a female who has specifically required same sex carers, should not be in patient facing positions. Female patients are not there to meet their needs.

This is what this is about. Why do hospitals exist? Is it to give medical treatment to people who need it or is it to validate and support people with gender identities?

This hospital seems to have lost sight of its primary purpose. They have forgotten that the patients are the reason for its existence, and that the patients aren't simply validation tools for their needy members of staff who are insecure about their gender identities.

As already demonstrated right here on the thread, there are females who will prefer not to risk presenting for some health care if they know that their need for same sex provision won't be available. Up until a group of male people kicked off about this, this country used to care about hard to reach groups who found things inaccessible, and went to a lot of trouble in the name of diversity and inclusion. I sat in the meetings, I did the work on the statistics, Local Authorities had a duty to prove they were accessible to all groups, and females are half the fucking population. It is NOT difficult to plan to meet those needs. It really isn't.

And then male people found that presented them with a boundary they resented, and all that was binned on the spot.

Any male employee who is going to be 'seriously distressed' by not being allowed to intimately handle a female who has specifically required same sex carers, should not be in patient facing positions. Female patients are not there to meet their needs.

This is bloody appalling. And yes, we knew it happened. What the fuck do we do about this, because it gets worse every week and at this point we have no political party who are not going to stand by while enshrining females as a subordinate class in law.

ICU is not single sex but usually the patient will be looked after by a member who is the same sex, and the units are usually sex segregated where possible - ie male bays and female bays.

There is no legislation that patients can chose religious beliefs of treating doctors - however, for many it is important. Ie. we are Jewish, our GP is Jewish and thus understands that telling me to use condoms for contraception is very pointless. She also made an immediate referral each time I had a breast lump - i was seen on the same day in both cases, again because she's Jewish she understands the urgency of the situation with breast lumps.

I wouldn't refuse care from any other religion, but sometimes having someone who is the same religion as you is beneficial. It is not legislated for. It is discrimination to say you will not be treated by X, Y or Z unless it's a request for a person of a specific sex.

Despicable.

I guess an appropriate analogy might be a black person asking not to be seen by a white staff member due to the number of racial assaults they've experienced solely at the hands of white people. Is that a stupidly common request?

The breathtaking speed and fury with which some have shown up here to tell us all how little this gravely ill woman's feelings matter compared to those of any male HCP who declares an invisible, untestable gender identity...

Wow. Just wow.

No.

No they don’t.

Bit weird that they try to claim the moral high ground while doing it but here we are in Upside Down World!

And to be clear, I don't think you will be able to link to such legislation because it doesn't exist.

Can you please link to the legislation which allows for patients to request a specific ethnicity or religious background? In the same way as patients can request a member of staff who is the same sex?

It might not be mandated but it certainly is permitted as an exemption under the EQA2010.

Which is contrary to what you claimed in your initial post. Your post -

'This is no different to patients specifying that they don’t want medical staff of a particular ethnicity or religion treating them.

Which is - incidentally - a regrettably common request in healthcare settings.'

A hospital does not have to provide clinicians of a specified sex, and nor do they have to accede to other stupidly common requests for staff of a specified ethnicity or religious background.

Do trans activists EVER stop appropriating the struggle for racial equality to try and force people to say some men are really women? It's bonkers and a bit racist and isn't even analogous as males, like white people, have the power and privilege.

@landOFconfusion I think you've missed the point of this woman's history as a victim.of sexual violence? This is exactly why sex protected spaces are so important. I support ladies with a learning disability, they would not, not should they have men or transwomen providing the intimate care that I provide. Owing to this ladies personal history, she is also vulnerable and she should not be punished for requesting female only care. The hospitals response was swift and done in a way to punish providing no platform to just discuss the matter where any logistics surrounding which sex could be expected to provide care could have been discussed.

Women are scared because we are all being institutionally gaslit by this new religion which tells us some males are women and that the centuries of oppression, the rapes, the assaults, the maternity discrimination, the pay gaps, the medical negligence, the adverse health outcomes from seeing a male doctor, the DV, its all because of how we identify and nothing to do with our sex. In this climate women are bound to make mistakes sometimes.

I expect you remember the female patient who was raped by a transwoman on a supposedly single sex ward but the hospital Trust said no rape had taken place because no men were present at the time.

I expect you understand how incredibly difficult it is for a woman to even report rape (I couldn't report mine) so will be full of empathy for how it felt to be so disregarded by the hospital Trust. Rape also feels like being disregarded and dehumanised.

"Luckily" the cctv proved the woman right & the hospital Trust had to admit to it. But the policy (that single sex wards are open to some males) remains.

Does your left hand usually forget what the right is doing or does that only happen when you are trying (and failing) to shame women on Mumsnet?

Here’s a reminder (although it’s already right there is the quote chain on your last post).

HTH.

It’s a link go legislation that proves YOUR analogy incorrect.

Sex and race/ethnicity are not equivalent and thus are not treated the same under UK Equality Law.

@daisychain01 I think you've missed the point. It's great you had a professional experience, the lady in this thread did not. Her response is a direct result of trans ideology which has places like healthcare settings imposing policies which is directly harming people, mostly women. For a hospital to act in this manner does reflect a culture shift which will impact the care, privacy, respect and dignity that sex based rights is supposed to protect. Trans ideology acts in such a way that it pushes a hierarchy and anyone who doesn't comply, or simply what's to just discuss it, will be punished.

You just linked to legislation which permits the provision of single sex services but does not mandate them.

A hospital does not have to provide clinicians of a specified sex, and nor do they have to accede to other stupidly common requests for staff of a specified ethnicity or religious background.

Hospitals cannot guarantee all female staff. They cannot guarantee that the female staff allocated to her care isn't sick and the only bank staff available isn't male. She also demanded icu was single sex - no icu is single sex!

It was a private hospital too

I remember that, but from my recollection she wasn’t kicked off twitter and she later realized that the hospital had lied to her about it being a woman.

The same as the other hospital that lied to the police about no males being on the ward when that woman was raped and then later had to admit it was their policy to lie when transgender identifying males were on the ward and the rape had actually happened.

That poor woman. And it looks as though she is now seriously ill as a result. I really hope action is taken against this hospital

I’d be yapping to whoever would listen.

I can imagine some po-faced gruniard ‘journalist’ would try to give you a lecture for potentially hurting a possibly hypothetical man’s feels.

This is a really interesting case, and whilst I absolutely support the theory that this woman has a right to female only spaces and famale only care, it is extremely difficult to plan how to maintain this for every aspect of her care.

For starters, most colorectal surgeons and their registrars are men. I was in a colorectal case yesterday in theatre. The patient was anaesthetised by a man, operated on by a man, with a male reg and a male surgical assistant. One of the theatre nurses was male, there was a male rep and two junior doctors in training in attendance. The patient was catheterisation by a male practitioner.

One of the ODPs in recovery was male. If she was going to ITU in my hospital, granted 90% of the nursing staff are female but 80% of the consultant intensevists are male, and around half the physios. There is one on call doctor, who could be male, working in a rota where 6 of 8 are men.

ITU is one of the only areas where we are able to legally provide mixed sex accommodation due to the dependency of the patients. There are a limited number of cubicles but these are primarily used for isolation facilities for infected patients and for those at the end of their lives. Logistically if she was a patient on my hospital we couldn't guarantee female only care, and on some days we couldn't guarantee female only spaces if ITU is especially busy.