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Hospital refuses to operate after woman requests all-female care

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Imnobody4 · 19/10/2022 17:06

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11316141/Hospital-bans-sex-assault-victim-op-female-care-request.html

I feel quite sick at this.

She was stunned then to receive an email from the hospital's chief executive Maxine Estop Green telling her the operation was off.

She told her the hospital 'did not share her beliefs' and she should make alternative arrangements for her surgery.

The message added the hospital was committed to protecting staff from what it described as 'unacceptable distress'.

Emma urged them to reconsider, adding in a further message she thought they had misunderstood her requests, which she said were entirely within the law.

The hospital said it would offer a private room but would NOT facilitate her requests for single-sex care after her operation.

It also mentioned her comment about pronouns and said it had a responsibility to protect staff from 'discrimination and harassment'.

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Rainbowshit · 20/10/2022 00:22

This is appalling. Every time I have had medical care the person giving care has made sure I consent. Whether that is having a vaccination, a mammogram, counselling, I have always been asked whether I want a chaperone, whether I want a female. My bodily autonomy has been paramount.

I hope she sues them.

StellaAndCrow · 20/10/2022 00:19

And why would a health professional or carer EVER want to care for a patient who didn't want them to? My male friend is a nurse - he always checks if patients are happy with him or would prefer a female, and certainly wouldn't feel personally offended - he (like most nurses) wants the best for patients and wants them to be comfortable.

Hoardasurass · 20/10/2022 00:18

If this poor woman dies earlier than she would have had she had the canceled operation could the hospital administrator's be prosecuted for corporate manslaughter?
I ask this not to be ghoulish but because if I read the twitter thread correctly she is now to sick for even the (not recommended) open procedure which (IANAL) would mean that this could be argued is a direct result of the hospitals illegal discrimination and personally I think that the people responsible for this should be in jail

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/10/2022 00:04

He did this, in my opinion, because he felt entitled to do so and wanted to teach her a kesson.

I agree, it's not the first time I've come across similar behaviour by these male people, by any means.

Caroffee · 20/10/2022 00:03

CaronPoivre · 19/10/2022 17:57

We know the Princess Grace is a very expensive private hospital and not part of the NHS, don't we?

Even worse. It means thar patients can't even pay to have same-sex care.

beastlyslumber · 20/10/2022 00:02

I'm horrified and disgusted by this. That poor woman. I hope the hospital are sued into oblivion. They are willing to sacrifice her health and potentially her life in order to appease a narcissistic male.

The level of trauma this woman must be experiencing.

CristinaNov182 · 19/10/2022 23:59

Even if she does, her health has worsened, the hospital has punished her and many women will be silenced in future, and are probably silenced right now in places like Canada etc. To expose yourself to non consensual intimate care or to worsen your health?

But while women suffer physical consequences we must make sure people with penises don’t get their feelings hurt.

I hope women get mad about this, because it looks like we are being taken for fools.

I hope every woman now will speak up, to friends, family, about what is going on. That we protest the lack of single sex services everywhere we see them. That we ask what our children learn in school and challenge sexist stereotypes raised to “identities” and so on.

the time has passed where we could be cowered into silence with insults or even threats to our livelihood bc this will impact every single one of us at some point and this is the legacy we are leaving our daughters if we don’t fight it now

time to get angry and stay angry

Mummysharkdoodoodoodoodoodoo · 19/10/2022 23:58

I came here to start this exact thread. This is absolutely disgusting. I can’t even find words to explain how awful this is, it’s almost beyond belief.

Datun · 19/10/2022 23:45

It doesn't matter if they did or did not have the female staff, it doesn't matter if they did or did not have single sex ICUs, it doesn't matter if it is NHS or private medical care, it doesn't matter if you are fine with males giving you intimate care even if you are a female victim of sexual assault, it doesn't matter because non of that is relevant. What matters is that they did not agree with her beliefs and because of that they cancelled her operation.

This.

And I hope she nails them over it. And that the message reverberates deafeningly around every hospital in the country.

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 19/10/2022 23:34

to refuse to see a professional based on their gender alone.

This is bollocks even by TRA logic surely?

According to TRA logic, transwomen share a “gender” with women, and she’s not refusing intimate care from women so how is it based on “gender?” It’s based on sex. Duh.

Thelnebriati · 19/10/2022 23:25

Strangeways19
Because the nurse who this patient considered to be trans was treating her. And the patient didn't like this.
I guess it would be considered discriminatory to refuse to see a professional based on their gender alone.

You guess wrong. Medical care is given with the consent of the patient. The patients needs are supposed to be paramount, we don't exist to validate staff.

FemaleAndLearning · 19/10/2022 23:16

I am so angry for this woman and it is so scary how so many people on this thread think she was being entitled to ask for female only care.
The bare bones of it is that due to her sexual assault she required privacy and dignity. She expressed that view and was tormented by a man who said he was a woman. This man entered her assessment room where he likely knew she would be having an intimate swab at some point. He did this, in my opinion, because he felt entitled to do so and wanted to teach her a kesson. Instead of showing this woman care, compassion and understanding due to her trauma, the hospital wrote down in black and white that they had cancelled her surgery BECAUSE of her beliefs that they did not share.

It doesn't matter if they did or did not have the female staff, it doesn't matter if they did or did not have single sex ICUs, it doesn't matter if it is NHS or private medical care, it doesn't matter if you are fine with males giving you intimate care even if you are a female victim of sexual assault, it doesn't matter because non of that is relevant. What matters is that they did not agree with her beliefs and because of that they cancelled her operation.

I wonder what other operations they have cancelled because they do not share the beliefs of the patient?

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 19/10/2022 23:04

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/10/2022 22:58

I also wonder if the "male" she is on about in a wig happens to be a biological female who has now been insulted by the patient.

I highly doubt it.

Then it would have been logical for the hospital to point this out as what better way to prove the silly woman is wrong, as clearly they wanted to do.

OldCrone · 19/10/2022 23:04

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/10/2022 22:58

I also wonder if the "male" she is on about in a wig happens to be a biological female who has now been insulted by the patient.

I highly doubt it.

And the behaviour of this person, as described by the patient, seems to have been highly inappropriate, whatever their sex or gender

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/10/2022 22:58

I also wonder if the "male" she is on about in a wig happens to be a biological female who has now been insulted by the patient.

I highly doubt it.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/10/2022 22:55

It's 99/100 very obvious when someone is a male presenting as their idea of a woman, rather than a woman.

Cailleach1 · 19/10/2022 22:53

I don't think that is true Strange. The patient was having some sort of a screening/procedure involving intimate care. The door (with room views straight out on to a corridor) was opened by the person the patient perceived as male (granted with a syrup) for which the patient could see no obvious reason. So, this person doesn't appear to have any connection with the treatment of the patient. There was no screening, so the patient was vulnerable to being viewed by those in the open doorway/corridor.

It is in the letter a few pages back.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/10/2022 22:53

This is no different to patients specifying that they don’t want medical staff of a particular ethnicity or religion treating them.

It's completely different. Asking for female single sex care is something the NHS have suggested to women if they would feel more comfortable, for eg to do their smear test. Do you think they do likewise in your scenario?

OldCrone · 19/10/2022 22:51

Strangeways19 · 19/10/2022 22:35

Because the nurse who this patient considered to be trans was treating her. And the patient didn't like this.
I guess it would be considered discriminatory to refuse to see a professional based on their gender alone.
I'm sure I've been treated by a variety of nurses & doctors of probably all genders & I'm just honestly grateful when my medical needs are taken seriously.

You obviously haven't read the thread, the newspaper article or the correspondence between the woman and the hospital.

It's not considered discriminatory to ask for a same sex medical practitioner. It's considered completely normal for a woman to ask for a female nurse/doctor for an intimate examination or procedure.

She didn't say she would refuse treatment from anyone because they were trans, but she didn't want to receive treatment from male people even if they declared that they had a feminine gender identity.

Babasghost · 19/10/2022 22:51

It's utter betrayal.
Sickening illegal and a fucking disgrace.
The hospital should be closed down

crumpet · 19/10/2022 22:51

Strangeways19 · 19/10/2022 22:35

Because the nurse who this patient considered to be trans was treating her. And the patient didn't like this.
I guess it would be considered discriminatory to refuse to see a professional based on their gender alone.
I'm sure I've been treated by a variety of nurses & doctors of probably all genders & I'm just honestly grateful when my medical needs are taken seriously.

And that is jolly good for you. And, indeed helpful. As it frees up resources to support those who do care. Just because you are relaxed, do you think that you should impose your view on others?

There should be ability to accommodate both those who don’t care about same sex care and those who do.

ChampagneCamping · 19/10/2022 22:50

People are able to request male care or female care. It’s not discriminatory, it’s perfectly legal

Waitwhat23 · 19/10/2022 22:49

OdeToOceans · 19/10/2022 21:37

ICU is not single sex but usually the patient will be looked after by a member who is the same sex, and the units are usually sex segregated where possible - ie male bays and female bays.

There is no legislation that patients can chose religious beliefs of treating doctors - however, for many it is important. Ie. we are Jewish, our GP is Jewish and thus understands that telling me to use condoms for contraception is very pointless. She also made an immediate referral each time I had a breast lump - i was seen on the same day in both cases, again because she's Jewish she understands the urgency of the situation with breast lumps.

I wouldn't refuse care from any other religion, but sometimes having someone who is the same religion as you is beneficial. It is not legislated for. It is discrimination to say you will not be treated by X, Y or Z unless it's a request for a person of a specific sex.

That's really interesting about the beneficial aspects of having a doctor who has that specific knowledge due to belonging to the same religion - I hadn't known about the link with breast lumps.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/10/2022 22:49

No.

No they don’t.

They never take a day off. They never have a little think about other people, or the optics, when they try to compel women to repeat their lies.

Waitwhat23 · 19/10/2022 22:48

Typo - single sex exemptions