Hospital refuses to operate after woman requests all-female care

The legislation specifically refers to the example of a group offering services to women who have suffered sexual assault, being able to lawfully exclude male-to-female people because of the effect it could have on the women.
I can't see that is very different to the hospital case.

@Theredjellybean - this is page 18 of this thread. You can't seriously imagine your points haven't already been thrashed out? And thrown out.

Ooh, that was not the formatting I intended. Apologies for all the white space.

I haven't read it all, and I won't read the daily mail

Well then you don't know what you're talking about. Why do you think you have anything useful to add when you haven't even bothered to find out what's going on?

For anyone new to the thread, we have already covered:

• we (/women) should all be grateful for what we get and not ask for more;

• the hospital may not have been able to provide single-sex care [and therefore they were right to cancel a life-saving operation at short notice, without discussion];

• if only the patient had been less clear abrasive in the way she asked, she could have avoided all this;

• the patient being happy with a male doctor performing an operation on her (in theatre, with a team) means she should be fine with a male performing intimate care, alone, when she is conscious and vulnerable;

• "she should have gone private" [spoiler: she did]

• businesses can deny services to people they don't like, on any grounds [spoiler: no, not without breaking the law, they can't]

Oh, and

• "she said she wouldn't use pronouns but she said 'I', ha ha".

Have I missed any?

If you don't want to read the Daily Mail, read the patient's emails to the hospital, and its replies, directly, here

twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1582761032686051329?t=B-e8lLYLGMqbS-AtoPNlxQ&s=19

No, the discussion has taken place. And all your points have been addressed numerous times.

Apologies..haven't had time so maybe my points had been covered
MN used to be a place to debate and a place people could safely express a thought,opinion etc without others being rude.
I didn't say the person in the article was at fault or wrong I was merely expressing thoughts about the complexity of demanding single sex care ,and the definition of care .it could mean many different things to different people.
Seems I'm being naive to think discussion can be civilised online

This.

I haven't read it all

maybe start with that.

I haven't read it all, and I won't read the daily mail but what comes to mind is what does she define as "care"...so most hospital porters are male..would she class having her bed pushed care ? What about the people delivering food and drinks..the pharmacists
Most nurses and HCA are female but what about physios,radiographers?
Most private hospitals have resident medical officers ..doctors who stay over night ..if she had a need for immediate medical intervention that would be a resident medical officer, most are male. The hospital would be in a serious situation if a patient deteriorated or came to harm because a male doctor was told not to treat the patient,and they all stood and waited for a female consultant to arrive.
In real life we cannot always have things exactly as we'd prefer. It's not unreasonable to request female healthcare workers for intimate procedures or personal care.
But thinking more widely about what constitutes care .you start to see it is somewhat more complicated.

What world do some people live in?

A male world.

As @PurgatoryOfPotholes says, you won't see a doctor doing a bed bath helping the patient on the toilet etc because it's not a doctor's job to do those things.

I didn't see my surgeon again (post yesterday refers) after seeing him in the prep room pre-op (fine by me, he was an arse. A good surgeon but an arse) because I was in an NHS hospital and he was most likely up at the private hospital where he also works.

It was the nurses and, to a lesser extent the physios, who were important on the ward to me, the patient.

Posters who are saying 'ha! Theresa didn't mind a male doctor but rejected male nurses - no logic there!' are just like Katy Montgomerie who can't seem to see the difference between being interviewed by a male journalist and receiving intimate care from a male hcp.

What world do some people live in?

The misogyny is off the scale. Maybe it's time mum's net went female only

Absolutely, which is the whole point of the thread

Debunked multiple times, RTFT.

Oh ffs.

You can't see both sides. You haven't even seen one side.

Read the fucking thread.

I can see this from both sides , if you haven't got the staff available of the preferred sex what do you do.
I've was on shift when many females were refusing care from males increasing my workload massively while he was twiddling his thumbs. Pissed me off so personally no I wouldn't refuse care from whoever could give it.

Ah yes. This doctor. Red flags everywhere there. Celebrating being able to examine female patients 'intimately' than they had been allowed before.

Female Patient, you may absolutely not have boundaries that may offend or emotionally discomfort one of our staff. Suck up your PTSD and consent to us triggering you left right and centre without any boundaries, meet the emotional needs of our staff as your priority, ...

Or, if they are a transwoman with a paraphilia, 'the sexual needs of our staff'.

I mean let's just way up the unequality of expectations here?

Female Patient, you may absolutely not have boundaries that may offend or emotionally discomfort one of our staff. Suck up your PTSD and consent to us triggering you left right and centre without any boundaries, meet the emotional needs of our staff as your priority, or you can go without care and good luck with the awful consequences.

That member of staff however is not required in any way to give a fuck about you or your feelings and needs.

Quite.

It will be the nursing staff who does all that.

I mean, I wouldn't mind, but it's completely normal for a woman to want another woman to do that kind of care.

And almost the worst scenario would be where you're expected to treat a man as a woman because he says so. It's pure gaslighting.

At least if you knew there was a lack of resources and they were reluctantly providing a male and everyone was apologetic, you know that you are being taken into account and everyone is sensitive to the issue.

Not so with a man who says he's a woman. It is you who is expected to take him into account and to shut up about your own boundary violation.

I cant begin to imagine needing a very serious op which entails days in ICU highly dependent on total, full nursing care and immobility,

when at the same time you have PTSD and can be thrown into a state of dissociation, re traumatising, serious physiological and mental difficulties, by someone 'triggering' you. And 'triggering' being another word appropriated and dandled around until it's meaningless: it does not mean 'a bit emotionally upset'.

If you as a survivor of assault are going to be immobile, feeling at your most defenceless and vulnerable, unwell, in pain, utterly dependent on permitting a stranger to intimately care for you and clean you? You're already in a very, very difficult situation to be faced. If male people are your trigger? And then you're told that if you don't make an exception and pretend that some male people are women because they want you to do so? And that if you don't figure out somehow how you can cope with the trauma and fear and distress and possible serious physical consequences to your recovery in order to stroke this male person's ego that they got to be different to other males and not have to respect your boundaries you don't get to be helped at all?

Ffs what are these people doing in patient facing care? It's sociopathic to have this little capacity for basic care and empathy.

Was just going to say similar

The last few operations I've had I've seen a lot of the surgeon, same with ds1 but they were private

I had a minor op once.

Yes, Margarita I imagine the vast majority of posters on this thread also have.