Hospital refuses to operate after woman requests all-female care

Let’s put this into perspective. How about if she had said she didn’t want to be nursed by Muslims or by Asians?

You have just shown by 1) trying to use your question to distract from this fact that feeds safeguarding risk and 2) posing such a question that you have NO concept of what safeguarding is. None. None at all.

Yet you have been on this thread running through all the fuckwittery tactics to try to convince readers that you have some kind of moral high ground and knowledge that should be considered credible. You are not just here to state your case, you are actively dismissing women and girl's needs here on this thread.

And this last claim.... it was a doozy.

And the surgeon (I know it wasn’t a sex crime but a crime none the less) who lazered his initials onto internal organs of his patients like a flipping ‘tag’. How many years to train to be a surgeon and he goes and does something stupid like that???

Hiding in plain sight, seeing how far they can go, gaslighting victims and destroying the credibility of whistleblowers is part of the fun. Knowing that some people know but can't/don't dare say anything - what a power trip that must be.

There was a skin cancer specialist in Sydney who was jailed for sex offences against his female patients. He was my specialist but thankfully he never tried anything on me.

I mean, that takes at least a decade I would expect of basic through to specialist training.

But... no "man would take all the trouble to become a Dr/Nurse and a transwoman just to commit a sex offence on a patient?"

Apparently, it is just too much effort.

Well given the church scandals and 7 years I think to become a priest. Scouts, teachers also about 5 or 6 years, the weinstein guy? How long did it take him to become powerful enough and rich enough to do what he did to actors?
And of course drs are struck off an awful lot for sexual incidents. That cancer surgeon might be miles Bradbury, might not, for assaulting children, the GP struck off for unnecessary touching of womens breasts.

That's without the "effort " of becoming a transwoman, what effort? You just say the words surely.

Perhaps sex offending is just a hobby rather than a vocation?

No everyone. Apparently sex offenders would do 'both' train in a profession AND go through all that effort to become a 'transwoman.'

I mean, Miller (wasn't it) went through years of honing their skills to become a butcher and run a store in a local town, become a transwoman AND then raped a local 12 year old girl this year....

But apparently no one would go to so much effort....

Holy fuck! Did I just read this?

Shall we list all the occupations that sex offenders have been in so they have access to their victims. Or has it sunk in that you have made a fucking ridiculous statement?

I mean.... well... let's start with priests? Or Teachers? Scoutmasters? Or the men who did fucking all three!

It takes nothing to be a 'transwoman'. Just saying so. Or have you missed something.

Really you are doing great work on this thread.

Yup. The mistake people make is actually believing that certain cessions are populated by saints.

Screenshots of Google searches

’nurse convicted of sex crime’

’doctor convicted of sex crime’

There have been plenty of people in the church/teaching/charity who have been somehow attracted to a profession where they have access to women/children/vulnerable… always has been this way. And we’ve seen quite a few men in the medical field who have been convicted of abusing women/sexually assaulted them.

Sex pests come in all walks of life - from office clerks to princes of the realm…

Do you really think someone who trained for years to be a doctor or nurse wouldn’t throw it all away by committing a sex crime?

Are you really suggesting a man would take all the trouble to become a Dr/Nurse and a transwoman just to commit a sex offence on a patient?

Between 13-10 years ago I was a nurse in a private hospital's cardiac unit, so lots of tests involved exposing women's breasts and the procedures where done from the groin.

Everyone's was expected to treat patient's dignity as a top priority. In fact we had a patient request single sex care unfortunately the surgery she was having was done by a male but what he arranged was for the part that is most distressing/ intimate the placing of a catheter into the artery close to your groin was done by a female consultant the patient was then fully covered up and he took over.

In all the years that I worked both in the NHS and private care not once did anyone bat an eyelid at a request for single sex care.

Private hospitals are really used to caring for Muslim woman we often had members of Arab royalty in the hospital so single sex care was planned and catered for.

It's absolute nonsense that a hospital would struggle to meet this kind of request and if they truly did then it's a pretty poorly managed hospital.

Let's also not forget most nurses are women so there's hardly going to be a shortage of female staff to provide it.

Sex offenders in prison are around 98% male and 2% female. So statistically females are safer with females.

If you were the scientist that your username claims you to be, you would know that no female sexual abuser could ever leave her victim pregnant. We are not "all the same", there are critical reproductive differences that make women vulnerable to sexual assault in a way that men never can be. 98% of sexual assailants are male. If I must submit to having my genitalia washed by someone else, that person must be a woman to guarantee that I will not be left pregnant and to minimise the risk of sexual assault.

They think properly 'progressive', liberal women wouldn't refuse consent in the first place.

For them, it's a bit like encouraging toddlers to eat broccoli and other leafy green vegetables; you keep serving broccoli because you think it's good for children. The children may say eurgh no the first few times they encounter broccoli, so you serve it again, in the expectation that repeated exposure to broccoli will turn the child's initial disgust to first reluctant acceptance, and then perhaps even enjoyment.

Exact same mindset, but applied to adult women refusing to let men clean their vulvas. They think they're fostering women's personal development by trying to wear down our resistance to males washing our vulvas.

That Dr Em piece is excellent.

Bonkers how a certain crop of (mostly) young people can’t see it

They will demand enthusiastic and (‘informed’) consent for themselves whilst denying it to others.

Turns out ‘bodily autonomy’ doesn’t extend as far as disabled women - they get a man in lipstick whether they like it or not.

Pretty sure if the blue-haired folx could objectively hear themselves they would realise this is the ‘rape culture’ they pretend to decry.

Shame they’ve got them’s ears stuffed with glitter and rainbows.

Is the very nature of concent being eroded

consent as an option really hasn't been around very long.
But from the day it was first mooted, people (men) have been trying to find a work around. Or just ignoring it.

I think that when you look at the posts here and on the Belfast changing room thread you understand that yes indeed consent has been effectively ignored by posters. All in the name of inclusion.

It is really clear that there is a no compromise in the ‘allowing males do what they want’ position. Consent is now prioritised towards the needs of male individuals not towards any female person.

Sorry about the repeat of the word 'extract' I can't find an 'edit' option. I'll have to remember to proof read in future.

Thanks for posting that Purgatory. Dr Em writes very well about a difficult and personal subject. I have just read the extract you posted extract currently, however, I will read the full article later.

The line about her last 'shred of dignity' really spoke to me as someone who has needed intimate care. So much is taken from you in that situation, having a say in regard to consenting to who cares for you (mixed-sex care or same-sex care) is so vital. It is a tiny bit of autonomy when that very thing is all but gone.

I am beginning to wonder if we are seeing more than just Queer theory in action in regard to male/female or man/woman. Are right/wrong and yes/no being blurred or queered by some? Is the very nature of concent being eroded? Is the aim to have women being unabe to say 'no'?

If you are in a situation where you can't even get up and move away, the concept of concent is vital. Everyone knowing what has been agreed to and what hasn't been agreed to and working from the basis that concent is essential works. It must be defended.

This is an extract from a piece written by the magnificent Dr EM, who is disabled. She wrote it in response to a twerp telling her she was 'disgusting' for wanting single-sex carers to provide intimate care. Seems appropriate for this thread.

extract

If me speaking about what it is like to live with a severe disability is ‘disgusting’ to you because I required female only care I don’t think the problem is with my outlook but yours. I had no knowledge or say in who was caring for me, being in a coma. When I was awake I did have male and female nurses change my tubes, feed me, look after me. The NHS is staffed by super heroes. What I was talking about was the need for female only intimate care. I described how as a schoolgirl I was stripped naked and washed by strangers, for months. How I hated it and couldn’t communicate my distress nor move my body away and how it has had a lasting impact. The term ‘intimate care’ obscures what we are talking about. I still get a sense of deep shame and hurt to tell people this. It is not just one’s back,legs and other limbs which are washed, it is your vulva, your breasts. Strangers are touching these parts of you. What about my humanity? My last shred of dignity? This was distressing enough with same-sex nurses, can you imagine what it would have been like having an unknown male do this to me?

Although I was still a teenager, like a staggering number of women and girls, by this stage of my life I had already experienced violence and sexual abuse at the hands of men. It had already made me weird about bathrooms. I lost a lot of long term memory in the accident, like a scrap book having clumps of pages ripped out, but for my eternal punishment some of the memories I would rather loose have remained. Time has not dimmed them, nor my reaction to male bodies.

If we discard all of this and focus on the males (like you like to do), it is not safe to have mixed sex care of the vulnerable. 98% of sex offenders are male, and sex offenders will move to positions where they have access to victims. This is why sex offenders tend to work in certain professions and not on oil rigs. The research showing that disabled women are more vulnerable to abuse has been dug out and provided by torpid ferret

piece continues here: Why Disabled Women Requesting Female-Only Intimate Care is Not Disgusting