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Hospital refuses to operate after woman requests all-female care

917 replies

Imnobody4 · 19/10/2022 17:06

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11316141/Hospital-bans-sex-assault-victim-op-female-care-request.html

I feel quite sick at this.

She was stunned then to receive an email from the hospital's chief executive Maxine Estop Green telling her the operation was off.

She told her the hospital 'did not share her beliefs' and she should make alternative arrangements for her surgery.

The message added the hospital was committed to protecting staff from what it described as 'unacceptable distress'.

Emma urged them to reconsider, adding in a further message she thought they had misunderstood her requests, which she said were entirely within the law.

The hospital said it would offer a private room but would NOT facilitate her requests for single-sex care after her operation.

It also mentioned her comment about pronouns and said it had a responsibility to protect staff from 'discrimination and harassment'.

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Coyoacan · 23/10/2022 02:46

hotdiggetydog Apart from the fact that the hospital in question is private, are only wealthy people entitled to be treated with respect in your world?

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 22/10/2022 23:02

More irony from Montgomerie.

Text for those using screenreaders:

Easy to stand and hold a sign calling to take people's healthcare away in front of someone you know won't hurt you and has no power over you.

Hospital refuses to operate after woman  requests all-female care
DewinDwl · 22/10/2022 22:21

hotdiggetydog · 22/10/2022 18:35

She should go private if she wants a bespoke arrangement

Oh fuck here we go again 😆

ApocalipstickNow · 22/10/2022 21:49

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 22/10/2022 18:37

She did. It was a private hospital.

Maybe Super Private?

SelfPortraitWithFoxInSmokingJacket · 22/10/2022 20:09

hotdiggetydog · 22/10/2022 18:35

She should go private if she wants a bespoke arrangement

Actual LOL.

hotdiggetydog · 22/10/2022 19:22

Sorry for the errors

oviraptor21 · 22/10/2022 19:21

hotdiggetydog · 22/10/2022 19:12

It's not a protected belief

Says someone who clearly has not been following the last year or so of tribunal rulings.

beastlyslumber · 22/10/2022 19:20

hotdiggetydog · 22/10/2022 18:35

She should go private if she wants a bespoke arrangement

God give me strength.

What are you, then? Stupid, a misogynist, or both?

VestofAbsurdity · 22/10/2022 19:18

hotdiggetydog · 22/10/2022 18:35

She should go private if she wants a bespoke arrangement

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.

You might want to commit this quote to memory @hotdiggetydog it would be useful for you.

TheClogLady · 22/10/2022 19:14

hotdiggetydog · 22/10/2022 19:12

It's not a protected belief

What isn’t?

hotdiggetydog · 22/10/2022 19:12

TheClogLady · 22/10/2022 18:57

But there is a legal obligation not to discriminate on the basis of a protected belief.

It's not a protected belief

StrangeLookingParasite · 22/10/2022 19:05

hotdiggetydog · 22/10/2022 18:35

She should go private if she wants a bespoke arrangement

Oh for fucking fuck's sake.

TheClogLady · 22/10/2022 18:57

hotdiggetydog · 22/10/2022 18:40

Even if Hospital being paid, no obligation for them to oblige

But there is a legal obligation not to discriminate on the basis of a protected belief.

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 22/10/2022 18:50

Oh good lord 😀

hotdiggetydog · 22/10/2022 18:40

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 22/10/2022 18:37

She did. It was a private hospital.

Even if Hospital being paid, no obligation for them to oblige

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 22/10/2022 18:37

hotdiggetydog · 22/10/2022 18:35

She should go private if she wants a bespoke arrangement

She did. It was a private hospital.

hotdiggetydog · 22/10/2022 18:35

She should go private if she wants a bespoke arrangement

ApocalipstickNow · 22/10/2022 18:31

LightningStriked · 22/10/2022 17:29

Peter Thatchell now. "We all have a gender identity".

We don’t, Pete.

im not even convinced we all have a personality, mate.

KittenKong · 22/10/2022 18:25

My atheist dad didn’t believe in souls. He knew what sex was thought.

nilsmousehammer · 22/10/2022 18:07

LightningStriked · 22/10/2022 17:29

Peter Thatchell now. "We all have a gender identity".

In the same that we 'all have a soul'.

That's your belief Pete. Not mine.

Moonatics · 22/10/2022 17:39

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 22/10/2022 16:52

If you find twitter threads bloody awkward, here is the story through the medium of a newspaper.

Extract from Telegraph

Julie was told that a hip arthroscopy operation was the best solution and signed up to have the procedure carried out privately that February.

The surgeon makes up to four small incisions along the front of the hip and is able to perform keyhole surgery inside the joint, identifying and correcting the problems by effectively shaving away the fragments of bone which are catching on each other.

The operation is fairly common and has an 81 per cent rate of success, according to American research in the 2016 Journal of Hip Preservation Surgery, with most people seeing a reduction in pain within six months. But for Julie, the surgery did not signal a fresh start. The operation, she says, “castrated” her.

Part of the problem was that to open up the hip joint so that a surgeon can operate, a piece of equipment called a perineal post had to be placed between the legs, which effectively crushed her genital tissue. None of the hospital literature mentioned it, Julie says, and neither did the surgeon.

However, the pain she felt after the operation, especially to the clitoral region, was “absolutely excruciating”, and worried Julie immediately.

She says: “When the surgeon visited my bedside, I asked him why I was in so much pain in that area. “There was no reassurance, no explanation. He aggressively said: ‘I told you there would be bruising’. I was so shocked and taken back I didn’t say anything. He hadn’t told me this at all.” It took a few months for the bruising and the pain to fade, and Julie started to feel normal.

She says: “Having been single for 10 years, I knew my own body very well. I had always reached orgasm via my clitoris. But I soon realised something was wrong.”

It took Julie two years of online research to find the reason for the damage. She discovered a number of medical reports that recognised the post was known to cause damage to the pudendal nerve. Among them, published in 2013, was a review that revealed that two per cent of patients reported damage, with twice as many women as men affected.

Julie says: “I felt sick. I discovered the pudendal nerve carries sexual sensation from the clitoris. I felt violated.

“I’ve learned since I was at high risk of this type of damage because the muscles in my groin were so short and tight due to the impingement, and the surgeon must have known that and should have warned me.”

Julie has been left devastated. An independent expert agreed she should have been warned of the known risks, but no action has ever been taken against the surgeon and he does not accept he did anything wrong. However, many recent medical articles about nerve damage caused by perineal posts recommend that surgeons alert patients to dangers, including pudendal nerve injury, and sexual and urinary dysfunction.

Telegraph

So I read this, and other stories like it and follow maya and allison etc etc and the first thought that comes to mind is
We have to learn absolutely everything about anything. We cannot rely on even a dr telling the truth. If we are due some procedure or process, we somehow as well as all the drudge work and jobs and childcare and elderly care also now have to research every tiny thing. I mean who has the time, who's educated enough, why in fact do we bother with drs and surgeons, we might as well learn how to do the operations on ourselves. At least then we will know any related problems are on us. No point putting surgeons through the training, paying surgeons all that money, and then they dont take responsibility when it matters.

Yes I'm being facetious, but blimey what a terrible outcome.

FirstandLastBorn · 22/10/2022 17:30

The interview is a mess. The presenter doesn't seem on it and she's not following through on questions.

LightningStriked · 22/10/2022 17:29

Peter Thatchell now. "We all have a gender identity".

LightningStriked · 22/10/2022 17:26

She's being interviewed on GB news right now. Debbie Hayton also.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 22/10/2022 16:52

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 22/10/2022 16:41

Now that PGH is in the news, I have come across a woman whose clitoris was crushed during an operation on her hip at PGH. The surgeon and hospital say it was a risk she consented to take. She says no-one ever said the loss.of sexual function was a possibility, and she would not have had the procedure if she'd known.

twitter thread

If you find twitter threads bloody awkward, here is the story through the medium of a newspaper.

Extract from Telegraph

Julie was told that a hip arthroscopy operation was the best solution and signed up to have the procedure carried out privately that February.

The surgeon makes up to four small incisions along the front of the hip and is able to perform keyhole surgery inside the joint, identifying and correcting the problems by effectively shaving away the fragments of bone which are catching on each other.

The operation is fairly common and has an 81 per cent rate of success, according to American research in the 2016 Journal of Hip Preservation Surgery, with most people seeing a reduction in pain within six months. But for Julie, the surgery did not signal a fresh start. The operation, she says, “castrated” her.

Part of the problem was that to open up the hip joint so that a surgeon can operate, a piece of equipment called a perineal post had to be placed between the legs, which effectively crushed her genital tissue. None of the hospital literature mentioned it, Julie says, and neither did the surgeon.

However, the pain she felt after the operation, especially to the clitoral region, was “absolutely excruciating”, and worried Julie immediately.

She says: “When the surgeon visited my bedside, I asked him why I was in so much pain in that area. “There was no reassurance, no explanation. He aggressively said: ‘I told you there would be bruising’. I was so shocked and taken back I didn’t say anything. He hadn’t told me this at all.” It took a few months for the bruising and the pain to fade, and Julie started to feel normal.

She says: “Having been single for 10 years, I knew my own body very well. I had always reached orgasm via my clitoris. But I soon realised something was wrong.”

It took Julie two years of online research to find the reason for the damage. She discovered a number of medical reports that recognised the post was known to cause damage to the pudendal nerve. Among them, published in 2013, was a review that revealed that two per cent of patients reported damage, with twice as many women as men affected.

Julie says: “I felt sick. I discovered the pudendal nerve carries sexual sensation from the clitoris. I felt violated.

“I’ve learned since I was at high risk of this type of damage because the muscles in my groin were so short and tight due to the impingement, and the surgeon must have known that and should have warned me.”

Julie has been left devastated. An independent expert agreed she should have been warned of the known risks, but no action has ever been taken against the surgeon and he does not accept he did anything wrong. However, many recent medical articles about nerve damage caused by perineal posts recommend that surgeons alert patients to dangers, including pudendal nerve injury, and sexual and urinary dysfunction.

Telegraph