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Woman raped in women’s refuge Canada

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Xoxoxoxoxoxox · 19/10/2022 07:14

A known rapist identified as a woman to access a shelter in Ontario and raped a woman.
It’s reported by reduxx but will probably not even be reported by the mainstream press there.
It just goes against everything that they were originally set up for, which was to keep women safe.

reduxx.info/male-sex-offender-identified-as-woman-to-access-womens-shelter-allegedly-raped-a-female-resident/

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Smilelesstalkmore · 19/10/2022 17:14

Faffertea · 19/10/2022 08:15

This is transphobic dog whistle reporting.
It didn’t really happen because this never happens.
And if it did happen the offender wasn’t really trans.
But men don’t pretend to be trans to access women so it didn’t happen.
And if it did happen they can call the Police so there’s no problem.
And anyway transwomen are subjected to so much more violence so don’t talk about VAW.
And the woman and the shelter and the newspaper and anyone who argues it’s wrong are linked to the far right and/or fundamental Christian groups in the USA.

Have I missed anything?

We don't segregate black and white people in refuges so we shouldn't segregate transwomen and cis women either (their use of cis there by the way, not mine).

Women do it too.

Smilelesstalkmore · 19/10/2022 17:12

This is a form of state sanctioned rape.

This situation is entirely preventable. That poor woman.

Backstreets · 19/10/2022 17:08

Vulnerable women are acceptable collateral to these people. They would happily throw 100 raped/incarcerated/desperate women under the bus as long as they didn’t have to turn away one gender dysphoric man in distress. And they have.

VestofAbsurdity · 19/10/2022 16:25

IncompleteSenten · 19/10/2022 16:15

What an absolute shock to nobody with half a brain.

That poor woman.

Same with the delightful Karen White and all the other sex offender TW who are placed in the female prison estate including the latest one who Surrey Police defended and threatened anyone misgendering said individual, anyone with a single functioning brain cell could reliably predict exactly what would happen in these cases.

All those who have enabled this effectively State sanctioned rape and sexual abuse of women should be in the fucking dock facing criminal charges and a lengthy prison sentence.

Longerthanfiveweeks · 19/10/2022 16:24

lifeturnsonadime · 19/10/2022 10:13

No the shelter is only following the law.

It is bad law.

It is the politicians that enacted the law who are responsible.

I would like to think the Shelters are only applying the law, but in reality they are probably infested with true believers. As well described in this article.

www.feministcurrent.com/2020/09/13/protecting-men-at-the-womens-shelter/

IncompleteSenten · 19/10/2022 16:15

What an absolute shock to nobody with half a brain.

That poor woman.

Longerthanfiveweeks · 19/10/2022 16:13

This is transphobic dog whistle reporting.
It didn’t really happen because this never happens.
And if it did happen the offender wasn’t really trans.
But men don’t pretend to be trans to access women so it didn’t happen.
And if it did happen they can call the Police so there’s no problem.
And anyway transwomen are subjected to so much more violence so don’t talk about VAW.
And the woman and the shelter and the newspaper and anyone who argues it’s wrong are linked to the far right and/or fundamental Christian groups in the USA.
Have I missed anything?
The only one you missed was:
You're saying all transwomen are rapists/paedophiles/sex offenders and that means you don't want us to exist.

You also missed ' Women sexually assault other women too, and that is what happened here, so it definitely wasn't a rapist man abusing the system to assault women, and you only think it was because you are a transphobic whore who deserves to be thrown in the sea.'

Longerthanfiveweeks · 19/10/2022 16:10

Swivellingbrat · 19/10/2022 07:57

I had a massive row with my DD when there was a report that a Canadian refuge was being stripped of funding due to being women only. She thought it was terrible that the poor TRAs were being excluded.

It was inevitable that this was going to happen. Vulnerable women need to be protected, I feel like weeping. I am so so angry about this. WTF is wrong with Canada. I think Scotland is going this way too now.

It had already happened. Christopher Hambleton assaulted five females, including child, inside a women's shelter in Canada. He got in by identifying as a woman too.

MangyInseam · 19/10/2022 14:53

applesandpears33 · 19/10/2022 10:00

Is there anyone on here from Canada? Is this story being discussed there? It'd be good to know if this story and the one about the person with the humungous fake breasts are helping to challenge the status quo.

I haven't seen it. I typically see news on this stuff on MN before Canadian sources.

My guess is the National Post will print something, they are a newspaper so it tends to be a bit slower. The CBC won't unless it is forced to because it blows up, but even then I doubt it will be accurate.

VestofAbsurdity · 19/10/2022 13:57

Faffertea · 19/10/2022 08:15

This is transphobic dog whistle reporting.
It didn’t really happen because this never happens.
And if it did happen the offender wasn’t really trans.
But men don’t pretend to be trans to access women so it didn’t happen.
And if it did happen they can call the Police so there’s no problem.
And anyway transwomen are subjected to so much more violence so don’t talk about VAW.
And the woman and the shelter and the newspaper and anyone who argues it’s wrong are linked to the far right and/or fundamental Christian groups in the USA.

Have I missed anything?

The only one you missed was:

You're saying all transwomen are rapists/paedophiles/sex offenders and that means you don't want us to exist.

Kellie45 · 19/10/2022 13:55

Of course. Anyone who has ever had dealings with rapists or sex offenders would know that this would be an obvious way in for them to vulnerable women. Of course the idiots who put ideology before the safety of women would just close their minds to the possibility. They are lunatics and deserve to be in the same asylum as the sex offenders

Kellie45 · 19/10/2022 13:54

Of course. Anyone who has ever had dealings with rapists or sex offenders would know that this would be an obvious way in for them. Of course the idiots who put ideology before the safety of women would just close their minds to the possibility. They are lunatics and deserve to be in the same asylum as the sex offenders

endofthelinefinally · 19/10/2022 13:28

I used to donate to St Mungos. I stopped some years ago when they announced this policy. I wrote to them explaining why and they were very dismissive of my concerns for vulnerable women and girls. They deal with a lot of very vulnerable young people.

potniatheron · 19/10/2022 13:22

Faffertea · 19/10/2022 08:15

This is transphobic dog whistle reporting.
It didn’t really happen because this never happens.
And if it did happen the offender wasn’t really trans.
But men don’t pretend to be trans to access women so it didn’t happen.
And if it did happen they can call the Police so there’s no problem.
And anyway transwomen are subjected to so much more violence so don’t talk about VAW.
And the woman and the shelter and the newspaper and anyone who argues it’s wrong are linked to the far right and/or fundamental Christian groups in the USA.

Have I missed anything?

Yes, you've also got to bash JKR a bit for no particular reason.

Other than that, you did it beautifully, well done for being on the rIgHt sIdE oF hIsToRy

TheBiologyStupid · 19/10/2022 12:40

ArabellaScott · 19/10/2022 12:05

A St Mungo’s spokesman said: "We are sure readers will understand that we do not comment on individual client circumstances. [...] Trans women are welcome in our women-only services and spaces, in accordance with the law and our values as a charity."

FFS!

TheBiologyStupid · 19/10/2022 12:22

At the time, Green told detectives he was “having bad thoughts about hurting someone and when she saw the victim, her thoughts overcame his actions.”

The usual mangled pronouns.

ladymactíre · 19/10/2022 12:20

it is infuriating that nobody will be hold responsible! It's hard to believe that all this madness is real and it's getting worse by the day

FrancescaContini · 19/10/2022 12:13

334bu · 19/10/2022 10:41

In Canada if you say you are a woman then the refuge can't legally exclude you. Not surprisingly when the law was changed their Inspector of Prisons admitted that over 60% of prisoners in male prisons now seeking transfer to women's prisons were sex offenders.

JFC 🤬

NotBadConsidering · 19/10/2022 12:11

I wonder who the hell didn't care.

The worst thing is, they still won’t. There will be politicians like Trudeau and Sturgeon who will have this incident clearly pointed out to them, and do absolutely nothing in reaction. Trudeau will do nothing to stop this happening again and Sturgeon will do nothing to stop this happening in Scotland.

The absolute contempt they show for vulnerable women is disgusting.

ArabellaScott · 19/10/2022 12:05

This would never happen in the UK

www.thesun.co.uk/news/8813718/domestic-abuser-kill-lover-womans-refuge/

MilesOfCarpetTiles · 19/10/2022 11:43

Forgot the biggest one - 'this woman's rape is being weaponised'.

Actual people who have presumably more than a handful of brain cells and pretend to 'be kind' come out with this one surprisingly often.

inheritanceshiteagain · 19/10/2022 11:39

Maybe the woman could sue the government along with the refuge and hit them where it really hurts.

ANewCreation · 19/10/2022 11:35

"Women rape too" is another...

MilesOfCarpetTiles · 19/10/2022 11:28

JellySaurus · 19/10/2022 07:52

But these things never happen. Look at the countries with self-ID, like Canada and RoI, how successful it is and it hasn't caused any problems.

AngrySad

Angry This is so often trotted out.

"Oh they should've done a better risk assessment"
"oh that was going to happen anyway, it's nothing to do with anyone being trans"
"Oh it's only that one woman". then the next one, and the next one...

Swivellingbrat · 19/10/2022 11:17

@RFPO77

Ha! I haven’t shown it to her yet! She has drunk the kool-aid and has had a TRA flatmate for a while. Flatmate looks like a bloke in woman’s clothing and a wig and has suffered violence from other males, so I can see why she feels sorry for him.

Many of her generation (early mid 20s are the same). She’s a bloody handmaid but is slowly waking up. Doesn’t think men should compete in female sports for example.

Waiting for the right moment…