Tory meltdown hurting our chances to turn Labour round?

I believe that the Conservatives will in this parliamentary term if Penny Mordaunt becomes PM. I believe that the Conservatives owe it to us to safeguard our rights in law.

I can't vote for Labour or the Conservatives, so I have no horse in this race. My concern is women's rights, not English political parties.

A worrying missive from Clive Simpson on Starmer's intentions, as stated at the Pink News awards recently.

Wonder no more, the answer is YES.Grin I will be a cunt about any party in power that's destroying my rights.

So do you not believe that Labour will bring in Self-ID or the "conversion therapy" ban for "trans" children? Or increase the rights of males to access women's only spaces? Or do you just not believe that these things will harm women and children?

Or are you one of those who is blind to anything outside the view that the Tories are good for women?

Why do people keep saying this. I'm not sure I've seen anyone on this thread saying that the Tories are "good for women", just that Labour are proposing some policies that will undoubtably be bad for women. It's bizarre that these criticisms cannot be made without people coming on and misinterpreting the arguments. It's really quite disturbing.

In other threads I have posted about women in the Labour party like Rosie Duffield stand up for women's rights and get shouted down by others in her party.

And there are people like Crispin Blunt (old gay man making up for lost time by becoming an extreme LGBT rights campaigner) and Penny Mordant who are obsessed with trans rights.

I'm not sure what you're getting at? It's not difficult to understand that members within the one political party have differing views.

You just seem to think everything is going to change and be better with a different party in power, when in fact it's the external forces that exert the power on these issues.

Labour in government will resolve the current infighting in government, economic policies are very similar between the parties etc.

Wonder no more, the answer is YES. I will be a cunt about any party in power that's destroying my rights.

Have you forgotten Crispin Blunt, Caroline Nokes and Penny Mordaunt's drive for this?🤯🤯🤯

Or are you one of those who is blind to anything outside the view that the Tories are good for women?

BTW I urge you all to contact your MP and ask them not to back Penny Mordaunt for new PM. And I'll admit to being a bit tinfoil-hat here; 2 of the first MPs to call for Truss's resignation on Sunday were Crispin Blunt and Jamie Wallis.

Why do you think the trans issue is linked to one party? It's something that's going on globally and it's supported by more and more medical establishments and education systems globally. It's not coming from a party, it's got to be coming from somewhere above induvial governments.

You can replace "Conservative Party" and "12 years" for "Labour" and "2 years" in a couple of years and be in exactly the same position.

But I wonder if the same poster would be blaming the party for that?

But as repeatedly pointed out, is isn't the 'only' thing.

A party in hoc to this is:

• Anti women and their rights and equalities in favour of male freedoms and rights
• anti homosexuals and their rights and equalities in favour of male freedoms and rights
• anti child safeguarding in favour of male freedoms and rights and supportive of situations like the binfire of Mermaids being allowed to roll on uninterrupted
• pro partisan political policing and justice that enforces ideology and favours the popular powerful while suppressing heresy, instead of impartiality and equality in justice and law
• believes that accessibility and equality for all should be removed in favour of one specific small group - if necessary requiring people to hide their faith, culture, belief, sexuality, disability, or if unable to, to accept exclusion as their punishment
• in the grip of extremist quasi religious beliefs about a One True Faith which comes with punishment for heresy
• believes in a hierarchy of people where some have power and some don't, and some get to use others and others get to be used or else, based on this One True Faith

And most of all: believes reality is what they choose to tell you in the moment, even if it wholly contracts the obvious reality and what they said two seconds ago; and that inconvenient facts and realities can be ignored, denied and if necessary members of the public can be threatened, excluded and punished for refusing to pretend and collude on command.

Any party in favour of this is fundamentally and comprehensively fucked. They should never be allowed anywhere near power.

This is why I don't get involved in party politics because it makes you blind to anything outside of it, and only makes you disappointed when the party you vote for disappoints you.

There's a real head in the sand case if you think it is just one political party behind this.

Don't you find it strange that all governing parties around the world have the same viewpoints on the trans issue? Do you ignore the stories of how organisations have pre-drafted legislation that they give to politicians?

The fact that most departments in the civil service are members of Stonewall is negligible?

Did say, if it was the ONLY thing.

We are between a rock and a hard place.. but I think labour need their chance now .

This reminds me a bit of those "TWAW" lists we used to see on social media.

Possibly the authoritarian element in the party could be concerning to many as well.

Or the id pol?

I think worrying about this at the moment is comparable to varnishing the deckchair legs on the Titanic.
Labour gender politics is screwed but you are seriously deluded if that is the only thing that stops you voting for them at the next election.

It's an existing problem that the Tories haven't dealt with. Labour could be in power very shortly. Do you expect them to deal with it?

*will be

Lol, I suspect no answer with be forthcoming!

Or make it worse

It's not the Lobbyists fault.
It's not the Labour party's fault.
It's not the Civil Service's fault.
It's the fault of the Conservative Party who have been in power for 12 years. For the party of "personal responsibility" they don't take any themselves for the damage and destruction they inflicted.

Technocracy. It's important that we learn about it, and it's really about unelected experts dictating policy. Technically this is what happened with Covid.

The problem is when you allow experts to become indoctrinated or outsource to so-called experts (like Mermaids and Stonewall).

We've seen Stonewall and Mermaids tentacles all over public institutions, there is a deliberate naivety to think that a change of political party will change things, and it's why really there isn't much difference in any policy between all the parties.

These public institutions (as has been stated as an aim of Stonewall) then lobby governments to change policy. ITV has become a very vociferous lobbyist for these sort of issues for instance.

But is there an expectation that a Labour government will sort it?

So are you under the impression that Labour are going to sort these issues out then since they are so sincerely pro women?

Its a tory party problem which they have had time and capabilities to solve, but opted not to.

I can't say I am surprised.

I actually think I'd like Truss as, say, a next door neighbour, but she was overwhelmed by this job.

It's interesting, there was a time when I was pretty supportive of the idea in political parties of the wider membership choosing leaders, but I've seen some really shitty outcomes from it in different parties.

They've been chaotic and shambolic for a long time. It was reflected in the Tory inflicted trans shitshow. It was reflected in their fudge to deal with the damage its done by suggesting natal girls "wait' and men shouldn't be in womens prisons except for some men. It is reflected in our economy.

It has been 12 years of the Conservatives destroying our rights, our economy and our country with failed social experiments followed by an internal Tory bloodbath followed by another ridiculous experiment and on and on.