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Sunday Times - new schools legal case

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mcduffy · 16/10/2022 06:52

Does anyone know if there's a crowdfunder?

Primary teacher to fight legal case after refusal to call female pupil by boy’s name

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/56b58b98-4bea-11ed-84cd-44cc4c68f778?shareToken=1fafa5629e4ecfda9b9d5a4e14ca05a9

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happydappy2 · 16/10/2022 09:04

How does a school safeguard a girl, if everyone thinks that child is actually a boy?

PomegranateOfPersephone · 16/10/2022 08:43

I agree about the name change being reasonable for teachers to accept. I also think that a choice of uniform is appropriate.

However lying about a child’s sex to the child, to other children, to other parents, using wrong sex pronouns, wrong sex changing rooms for PE or swimming (if there are changing rooms at all at this age), wrong sex toilets etc is all too far in my opinion. Schools don’t usually go so far as this to accommodate minority beliefs. Can you imagine if Jehovah’s witnesses demanded that Christmas and birthdays not be celebrated at all in the school, or vegans requiring that no animal products were consumed in school etc It is unreasonable to expect the rest of the school community to behave as if they believe entirely in gender identity ideology- by which I mean that subjective, fluid gender identity is paramount and objective, immutable sex is irrelevant. I don’t know how the C of E has managed to incorporate gender identity into its version of Christianity so comprehensively and now believes it is right to impose it on children who are trying to make sense of the world.

SallyLockheart · 16/10/2022 08:42

Name change - there always used to be a section in forms saying “official name” and known as “xxx” so could go with that.

pronouns and affirmation and keeping secret from other parents - no.

Saltovinegar · 16/10/2022 08:34

Sorry posted too soon.

Adamant that a number of the children they taught were born in the wrong body. They had no evidence other than they were sure of it. This was from an intelligent and well respected teacher. Children are being failed on an industrial level.

Saltovinegar · 16/10/2022 08:31

I was talking to a teacher recently and they were adamant that a number of chikdren they toughtbw

Datun · 16/10/2022 08:30

Plus I'd like to see the justification for the pronoun change in light of the DfE guidance. Stereotypes cannot be used to justify 'gender identity'. And there's no such thing as being born in the wrong body. So what exactly is the parents reasoning?

And the whole secrecy part and letting her use the boys toilets is clearly a safeguarding breach.

Up to their necks in stonewall advice, this will be revealing.

Datun · 16/10/2022 08:25

I agree that a name change should probably be accepted. Or where does that end?

But not the pronouns.

One is superficial. The other is adherence to an ideology.

C4tintherug · 16/10/2022 08:16

I don’t think she will win her case. The key thing for me is that the parents requested the name change. I don’t see why she thinks she has the authority to call a child by a different name.
I am as GC as they come but if a parent requests a name change (for whatever reason), I think it is way beyond her job role and responsibilities as a classroom teacher to decide she will call the child something different.

Igmum · 16/10/2022 08:02

Funny this is absolutely spot on and that power is often one of the reasons disturbed children cling to this. It is a way of controlling play, of feeling safe. And yes it absolutely puts other kids off playing with them. We need to address the trauma or autism directly, not the symptoms

KatMcBundleFace · 16/10/2022 07:44

As the social contagion spreads, so the numbers of these children increase. Transitioning is seen as the solution, but these children's needs are always more complex, and almost always ignored.

This is a recipe for disaster.

PomegranateOfPersephone · 16/10/2022 07:30

FunnyTalks your story makes me think that encouraging a young child to believe that she is non binary is an effective way for abusive parents to ensure that she is isolated from other children who will likely want to avoid her and play with other friends to avoid the interruption to the flow of play and to avoid being caught out and made to feel bad the whole time. Non binaryism can make a person rather high maintenance if they aren’t already that way for other reasons which young children might not be.

FunnyTalks · 16/10/2022 07:27

And I'm also really glad this is happening.

Something less talked about but really important is the affect of the transition on the classmates.

They will detect the strange power the trans child wields over the adults. Some of the classmates might be quite non conforming and will now be questioning whether they too need to transition. It makes a mockery of any teaching that stereotypes should be busted, and girls and boys can choose to like what they wish.

FunnyTalks · 16/10/2022 07:22

Yes I was thinking the same thing.

Aside from the many many other concerns with starting a child down a path towards altering their body because of discomfort with the gender stereotypes which society likes to uphold, the psychological pressure of "stealth" must be intolerable. And like so much of trans ideology it goes directly against best practice for most other things.

I also think handing so much power to an 8 year old is cruel. She is let down by so many adults!

I am reminded of a newly non binary child I saw briefly in the summer. Friends of friends. Child spent a lot of the playing time castigating her friends for accidentally "misgendering" her. It put her friends constantly on the back foot and was quite the power trip.

JellySaurus · 16/10/2022 07:18

Isn't the school acting against DfE instructions?

Poor kids. All of them.

Awesome teacher!

unwashedanddazed · 16/10/2022 07:14

Aside from all the multiple difficulties this situation creates for schools, I think that having a young child go 'stealth' places an intolerable burden on the child's psych. They know they are deceiving everyone they interact with and the potential for exposure must feel like an ever-present danger. It's a terrible pressure for a very young mind. I'm not surprised the child told her classmates herself, apparently against her own parents instructions.

I'm really pleased this teacher is taking this action, it sounds like a root and branch investigation into trans policy development in the local authority education system.

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