Trans-identifying people seeking extra rights

What's is change of gender? And what does it have to do with a birth certificate? I don't have an official document that states my gender, few people do.

We are going round in circles, trying to make sense of a ridiculous law - that a man can get the the state to recognise his gender, then use that to change the sex on his birth certificate.

Rather than trying to pretend that we can't see or understand sex, that 'probably' everything is okay, and what does happen we find hard to believe would happen, why don't we get the people who made and support this batshit crazy legislation to explain and justify it?

About 8 years ago I was supportive of T's until I saw first-hand the sexism of the trans movement and TW in general. I let a TW rent a room from me and it didn't take long to realize he had no idea what life as a woman actually meant. He left the downstairs windows unlocked for weeks until I found it. I had told him my history of sexual assault, yet he had mindlessly left a wide open entrance to my home - after all, rape wasn't a worry for HIM. During this time I was fighting my insurance for a breast reduction due to documented back pain which they refused and said it would be cosmetic surgery. Meanwhile he had the exact same insurance plan and was given breasts because it was NECESSARY for him to have tits. Don't tell me T's aren't given less rights than women, they are as catered to as any straight men is.

Is this like changing your name?
I changed my name from my birth name to my mum's maiden name. So now anything legal I have to take both my birth certificate and change of name.

I would have thought that people who change gender have the same sort of thing.
I've never had to have a DBS check (I want to work in education so will do in the future) but I thought they would check both names

Those who have ever worked in the caring professions will know as well as many who have used them that power hungry bullies and predators are drawn to working with vulnerable and incapacitated people as well as those who genuinely want to provide the best care possible and improve services.

Another of the logical contradictions in trans ideology...

Somehow trans women should have a privileged right to access female bodies that other people with their birth sex don't because they are "women" even though the understanding of womanhood that allows trans women to be women literally rests on the connection between womanhood and the female body not existing.

If gender is in the brain not the body, why should a trans woman be more suitable for providing intimate care to a female person than any other male?

What's this weird Shroedinger's connection between a female gender brain (which trans women allegedly have) and a female sex body (which they by definition don't) so that they can claim privileged access to female bodies based on a link they deny exists?

The fact is, we simply dont know how long these issues have being going on. We don't know how long authorities have been lying and saying that man in women's spaces is a woman.

It's only because woman are talking to each other about it, and investigating, that we know that men are attacking women's hospital wards and prisons. Hospitals, prisons and the press are lying, but who know how long they have been lying?

I listen to the Transparency podcast, I heard it said on there, by a passing transman, that those born male and passing transmen should keep out of women’s spaces, not impose themselves on women and I agree with this. Testosterone is a powerful substance and in my opinion women who take it and have had a mastectomy can “pass” effectively as men, thing is they often seem to understand this and have the empathy with their sisters which means that they wouldn’t want to make us uncomfortable or anxious.

Or the woman who had her letter requesting a female examiner for an examination of her breast passed around the NHS Trust as an example of 'transphobia' - www.brightonandhovenews.org/2019/12/09/hospital-apologises-to-rape-victim-for-branding-her-request-for-same-sex-breast-screening-medic-as-transphobic/

This. ^^

And any male walking into a female only space in the belief that they will 'pass' is believing that they can fool women into never knowing that male smashed their boundaries, ignored their access needs and consent and tee hee hee to them.

The behaviour is revolting. Those males who want to not use male sex based spaces and females anxious to get their kit off in front of random males are welcome to set up third spaces. They can leave everyone else alone. Because the rest of it is quite intentional boundary smashing, control and exclusion of females in favour of male people never encountering the word 'no'.

I cant even imagine someone who is caring enough to be in that line of work to want to be forced on them.

Yes, no one in the caring professions has ever been predatory or done anything bad.......

Lol at the idea TW HCP wouldn’t be forced on women who didnt want it - the NHS is over of the most captured institutions in the UK

meet Kamilla Kammarrudin.

Link

Again, six words amendment www.holyrood.com/editors-column/view,six-little-words-for-the-word-gender-substitute-sex . The Scottish Greens party en masse voted against rape survivors being able to request a female examiner.

A woman was raped in a 'single sex' NHS ward by a male and the hospital and Police gaslighted her that she couldn't have been raped because 'there were no men on that ward'.

You're literally writing this on a whole forum about women, many many posts judging other people's parenting. Or complaining about maternity rights, SEN support, domestic abuse. And plenty of horrible threads on those topics.

Errr…. Harold shipman was someone in that caring profession? Beverley,Allit worked as a nurse and killed babies? Why do you think someone who works in healthcare is automatically not a predator? So rather than hurt a makes feelings, you’d rather an already traumatised woman suffers more trauma. Gotcha. I mean, it’s only a woman right? As long as the poor male gets his validation, it’s all good.

I do get what your saying but it just seems like such an unlikely scenario, and women (and anyone) are always entitled to refuse intimate care from anyone for any reason aren't they? Surely a TW wouldn't be forced on them and I cant even imagine someone who is caring enough to be in that line of work to want to be forced on them. It just seems like a bit of a reach. And sorry to use Buck Angel again, but I cant see a traumatised woman wanting care from someone who looks like him regardless of their bio sex either. Biological sex is important, sure, but how people perceive other people is a consideration as well, surely?

So are you suggesting @ReunitedThorns that transmen, transwomen and men use one space and women use another? Works for me.

There's deliberate naivety with this statement.

Male children are taken into single-sex spaces because those males are not a threat to women, and those males are also at risk from men (adult human male).

The threat comes from testosterone, it's what turns non-threatening boys into threatening men. Quite frankly a woman injecting male levels of testosterone into her body will also be a threat.

Trans men are not welcome in women's sport, because again testosterone.

A man (for whatever reasons) may not have a penis, but as long as there is testosterone swirling around that body, or had male puberty the threat will be there.

We didn't have these issues a few years ago. History tells us as much.

Men were not willing to lose their penises to be able to compete in women's events. Today the men competing in women's sports don't take oestrogen, they've simply reduced their testosterone levels.

The men in women's prisons remain fully intact. Again if the requirement was to lose the penis, you wouldn't be seeing sex offenders who love to use their penis as a weapon in women's prisons.

I've been hugely involved with women's sports for thirty years - playing, organising and now coaching. Allowing men to participate in women's sports is the single biggest threat women's sports have faced in that time, so yes I have some thoughts about it.

Powerfully said, Ally.

(Ironic that the TV series Ally McBeal was the first portrayal of a "gender neutral" workplace toilet that I ever saw.)

I'm question whether its a small group to be honest. I think a lot of male decision makers recognise themselves somewhere in the definition of the trans umbrella.

This is so well articulated and sums up my feelings exactly. Thank you.

MN should have a FWR-only like button.

What need there to segregate by gender identity? And how can we segregate by gender identity? What even is the definition of gender identity?