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Extremist TW

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Sparklybutold · 14/10/2022 22:02

I can't help but feel there's an emergence of two types of TW. Those that stay quiet and are just trying to do the best they can and then the more vocal ones that are actually doing more harm for the former. I can't help but feel this latter group are the extremists. In the past couple of weeks I have met 2 TW and both have left me feeling really uneasy. They dominated the space and were just rude.

Thoughts?

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Ofcourseshecan · 14/10/2022 22:55

Sparklybutold · 14/10/2022 22:02

I can't help but feel there's an emergence of two types of TW. Those that stay quiet and are just trying to do the best they can and then the more vocal ones that are actually doing more harm for the former. I can't help but feel this latter group are the extremists. In the past couple of weeks I have met 2 TW and both have left me feeling really uneasy. They dominated the space and were just rude.

Thoughts?

Men often do dominate shared spaces, interrupt women, etc. The ones who do that aren’t going to change when they identify as women.

Those who stay quiet are equally harmful to women and children, if they use women’s spaces and facilities or take women’s jobs, sports medals, places in hospitals and refuges etc.

For many survivors of sexual abuse, being in an enclosed space (eg public toilets) with a male is not only dangerous but traumatic. Pretty obviously.

Transwomen commit crimes at the same rate as non-trans males. This is much higher than among women, especially for violence and all kinds of sexual offence. Prison statistics show that a higher percentage of transwomen are sex offenders than in the general male prison population.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 14/10/2022 22:48

You seem to get doing a lot of "thoughts?" threads in this section. Are you harvesting the replies?

My 'thoughts' exactly.

Baaaaaa · 14/10/2022 22:45

Yes OP, I can see it. I think it's more the mindset than the trans status. This ideology captures lots of people. A subset are zealots... Some of them are trans.

There are lots of gender critical trans people too.

It does seem to attract self seving narcissists and people who like indulging in a bit of righteous rage.

Pixiedust1234 · 14/10/2022 22:40

You seem to get doing a lot of "thoughts?" threads in this section. Are you harvesting the replies?

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 14/10/2022 22:38

@suggestionsplease1

so why shouldn’t the rest of the world have an opinion and even a preference?

‘Consenting adults in private’ was that such a bad principle ? (by which I don’t mean holding hands or kissing btw) . Why shouldn’t men like my husband , who was very handsome in his youth, get on fine with the two nice blokes who lived with each other next door, and with whom he could have a chat about cricket , but object to the blokes who attempted to grope him in the gents’ loos?

why really should any one’s ‘rights’ be more significant than anyone else’s? That is surely the basis for civil society.

Apollo442 · 14/10/2022 22:30

suggestionsplease1 · 14/10/2022 22:17

Perhaps that people used to say exactly the same about gay men? 🤷‍♂️

How they were alright with the "nice, quiet ones that didn't rub their lifestyles in other people's faces" but not the other sort?

No they didn't. There is no equivalence between gay rights and trans rights at all. Some of us were there to witness the advance of gay rights and I don't remember anything that impinged on anyone elses rights. Stop making sh1t up it is tiresome.

ApocalipstickNow · 14/10/2022 22:27

Many of the loudest voices aren’t trans they’re just men who’ve found an acceptable outlet for their misogyny.

Helleofabore · 14/10/2022 22:25

And suggestions gay males were not demanding access to female single sex spaces. And gay males were not demanding they be treated differently to others. They were after equal treatment and to be able to live as gay males. Not force others to call them women.

But this feels like deja vu and feels like it has been all discussed before.

The two situations are not comparable.

MorningPlatypus · 14/10/2022 22:22

The extremist TW have been chipping away at women's rights for some time.

In my opinion, any man who claims he's a woman is anti-women.

suggestionsplease1 · 14/10/2022 22:17

Perhaps that people used to say exactly the same about gay men? 🤷‍♂️

How they were alright with the "nice, quiet ones that didn't rub their lifestyles in other people's faces" but not the other sort?

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