Extremist TW

This!

I've just read the article on fair play to women which clearly sets out that TW within the prison population do have significantly higher sex crime rates than for women

Because they are men! It's not difficult. No magic happens when a man says he's a woman.
Sorry but it's so frustrating. Of course they have significantly higher sex crime rates than women. MEN commit 98% of all sex offences.

The problem is you are comparing a group of men to women instead of comparing them to other men.

The same arguments were employed against gay people, anecdotes were shared to polarise people against us, 'research' found that gay people were more predatory etc etc. All the same things that happened then are happening now. Plenty of people thought gay rights impinged on their rights to be safe etc, plenty of straight men didn't want gay men in the men's bathrooms, plenty of people thought gay men shouldn't have right to enter certain professions etc etc

So you are using the argument that some men didn't want gay men in their toilets to make women who don't want men in their toilets look bigoted and phobic?

There is no difference between a straight man, a gay man and a man with a gender identity. All are entitled to use male facilities, go to male prisons and enter male sports competitions. Anything else would be discrimination based on their sex.
No one is saying transwomen are 'more' predatory, we are saying they are no less risk than anyone else of their sex class. The sex class that commits almost all sex offences, so ALL men are considered the same amount of threat.

What 'rights' do trans people need that they don't already have in relation to their sex like everyone else?

IT IS NOT a 'human right' for a man to have any and all access to spaces where women and children are at their most vulnerable, or be exempt from normal safeguarding rules because being told no hurts their feelings.

Why have women's existing rights and protections to having boundaries, safety, privacy and dignity away from any male in certain circumstances, suddenly become completely unacceptable and must be ignored and removed to accommodate some men? Why?

Men weren't at greater risk from gay men in men's facilities.

The threat to women's safety is men having access to female only spaces. That threat doesn't lessen just because some men 'identify as' women.
Single sex spaces, sports and services are vital and legal.

I'm at the point were I question the motives, or intelligence, of anyone who thinks allowing men into female only spaces, and thus removing female legal protections, is perfectly fine and harmless, especially when there is no way to separate the men with 'genders' from any other man, as the entire ideology is based on unprovable, subjective feelings.

So you either think female people are a sex class in their own right, with the ability to name themselves as separate and distinct from male people with unique needs and to be able to advocate politically for those needs, or you don't, and you need to ask yourself why you think the sex based reality of half the population should be ignored to pander to male feelings.

Ask. Report a post of yours and ask what contravened the guidelines. If it was an important post, reword it.

I really wish I knew what I had done to break guidelines.

didn't rub their lifestyles in other people's faces

I think there are plenty of examples of transitioned males ‘rubbing’ their ‘lifestyles’ in other people’s faces. Maybe tell those transitioned males to stop posting with swords, erections and such in female toilets. Because your words are empty compared to the reality.

100%.

TRAs don't seem to see the difference between

(a) a gay man being told to hide the very nature of who he is and who he loves from EVERYONE.

and

(b) a "queer" man being told to hide his erect penis, naked anus, sympathy for paedophiles, what he likes to do when he get access to sanitary bins, what household objects he shoves up his arse arse etc etc from children and public life

I am so not a prude, but I tend to find that I like to choose how and when to participate in other people's sex lives and fetishes.

The problem with old school homophobes is that old school homophobes thought that gay men being a bit effeminate and having a male friend was "rubbing their lifestyles in other people's faces."

The problem with modern queer theory advocates is that they equate being told to keep their naked body and fetish gear away from family and children's events ss the same as a gay man being told he must hide his sexual orientation

Tell us suggestions are you very comfortable with transitioned males watching a group of 5 year old girls getting dressed?

Are you very comfortable with a nine year old girl witnessing a know sex offender with a erection get into the spa with penis at eye height?

Are you very comfortable with males competing in female sports? What about Fallon Fox? Still fully comfortable?

If so, why?

It is like we are on a continuous loop really, thread after thread.

The same arguments were employed against gay people, anecdotes were shared to polarise people against us, 'research' found that gay people were more predatory etc etc

What research? What statistics?

Whereas we have continuously posted the links to statistics that show a) MALES commit 98-99% of sex crime around the countries that release those statistics and b) transitioned males commit sex crime at a rate similar (and if UK prison stats are taken at face value, even higher) as ALL MALES.

That includes homosexual males as well.

Your determined attempt at trying to leverage past phobic behaviour against gay males to reflect a dissimilar situation regarding transitioned males is clearly false logic and this has been explained to you before.

But you continue to use this false logic to prop up some pretty appallingly argued points.

All the same things that happened then are happening now.

This is untrue. They are not comparable and we have explained why.

Plenty of people thought gay rights impinged on their rights to be safe etc, plenty of straight men didn't want gay men in the men's bathrooms, plenty of people thought gay men shouldn't have right to enter certain professions etc etc.

Yes. And they were prejudiced and most likely phobic.

Whereas you have seen the statistics and are telling women and girls that their opinion doesn’t matter despite those statistics.

By the way, there are also quite a few gay men who are also very conscious of the fact there is a small group of them who are actually rather forthright about how they think that ‘not all intergenerational sex with children and those still minors is child sex abuse’. Shall we discuss those views too?

Shall we start with Peter Tatchell? Shall we discuss that Mermaids trustee?

Or shall we all understand that there are currently statistics that show very clearly that transitioned males don’t lose any risk as a group and agree that your arguments are an attempt at emotional manipulation rather than clearly stating truths.

Up to you. I am also very happy to post links of transitioned males masturbating in female toilets on porn channels, while children are using the toilets. I am also happy to post the vile and misogynistic things prominent transitioned males have published about females. I can also post screenshots of tweets of twitter conversations where prominent transitioned males mock females going to the toilet.

The arguments about straight males not wanting to share with gay males also misses the biological disparity of power. A transitioned male still retains 160% more punch power than the average female.

So, against that 160% retained power we are supposed to tut and look away.

All the same things that happened then are happening now

That's absolute horseshit and you know it.

Any trans person trying to access women's spaces is taking away womens rights to single sex spaces in prisons, care facilities, counselling and support for trauma, areas of vulnerability like changing rooms.

This is in no way equivalent to any gay rights campaigning. None of the things they fought for required taking things from others.

I thought the paper researching this was debunked as misrepresentation of the data?

If you're thinking of what I think you're thinking of, there was a paper that had fairly clear long-term results from Holland or Sweden or somewhere like that.

One of the authors gave an interview afterwards where they said something like "if you chop the data up, you no longer see a statistically significant effect in recent years". Without actually revealing the data. That would be the "debunking".

But that's just a truism - take any statistically significant result, you can make it non-significant by chopping it up and looking at a small enough subset of the data. It's basically just a ploy to try to say "please ignore my overall result".

But anyway, you don't really need studies like that for the current day - just look at the current prison population! Transwomen are equalling outnumbering women for serious sexual and violent offenses in absolute numbers, despite being a much smaller part of the population. They obviously don't have female offending patterns.

The same arguments were employed against gay people, anecdotes were shared to polarise people against us, 'research' found that gay people were more predatory etc etc. All the same things that happened then are happening now. Plenty of people thought gay rights impinged on their rights to be safe etc, plenty of straight men didn't want gay men in the men's bathrooms, plenty of people thought gay men shouldn't have right to enter certain professions etc etc.

Indeed. Exactly this. There is zero equivalence between the two scenarios.

Actually there was lots of thought, both within the gay community and outside it, that the louder, more vocal proponents of gay rights were doing more harm than good for gay people.

what other group’s rights were homosexual and bisexual people ‘impinging’ on?

Actually there was lots of thought, both within the gay community and outside it, that the louder, more vocal proponents of gay rights were doing more harm than good for gay people.

There was an attitude from some quarters of 'stop drawing attention to us, you're making us targets for hate'. That is part and parcel of the difficult struggle towards more acceptance and more rights that most marginalised groups go through.

ofcourseshecan is quite right. Prison statistics show that a higher percentage of transwomen are sex offenders than in the general male prison population.

They are discussing the UK prisoner statistics. These have been disaggregated by women. They have even been presented to parliament without any disproving.

No. The prisoner statistics are very clear that transitioning does not lower the propensity to commit sex crime than the rest of the male sex.

The Swedish study has been made irrelevant.

I thought the stats of TW crime was debunked

In what way?

TW, being male, are as likely as any other man to commit crime, and far more likely to commit crime than any female.
Almost all sex offences are committed by men against majority female victims.
This is fact.

More than half of TW in prison are sex offenders. Much higher than the general prison population.