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Mermaids closes chatlines

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Sparklybutold · 12/10/2022 23:53

So... Mermaids closes chat lines owing to abusive phone calls. I can't help but think this is awful behaviour from those ringing.

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Helleofabore · 14/10/2022 08:12

Particularly clymene if you are giving evidence as a witness in a tribunal and not there as either a claimant or a defendant. Seems rather even more of an issue. You have to question in what parameters can that person function without the additional support from their mum there before they can speak.

AlisonDonut · 14/10/2022 08:08

MargaritaPie · 13/10/2022 14:32

"There was a rumour that their volunteers abandoned them."

There is a rumour that Joshua Moon has now closed kiwifarms and will dedicate his life to helping LGBT people.

See I can make things up too. Rumours aren't worth anything without a source.

You are obsessed with that place aren't you.

Its like you want people to go looking there.

Hugocat1 · 14/10/2022 08:04

I don’t believe it’s for abusive phone calls. I really think it’s because the majority of volunteers they had in were not background checked OR trained and could show them in even more bad light. I really think this is down to legal advice they have been given.

I honestly believe more revelations will come out which will truly shock us to the core. This is just the tip of the iceberg for that dreadful ‘charity’. They felt so empowered to try and bring down a charity that focuses on LGB with out even considering what their own house looked like - it’s obviously run by complete narcissists who are detached from reality.

Clymene · 14/10/2022 08:04

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RedToothBrush · 14/10/2022 07:54

Helleofabore · 13/10/2022 21:15

And if the issue that you have to write down your 'dead' name, well, perhaps there needs to be some extra counselling and support there to assist people to cope with this necessary part of life - if they want a DBS check to be able to work with underage and vulnerable people.

They either do want to work with those people or they don't.

That this can be framed as 'traumatic' to write down your previous names for this kind of process really doesn't help anyone to exist in modern society.

If you need counselling to write down your dead name, I'd question suitability to deal with children giving going through their own difficulties. How are you going to cope if they say something potentially triggering?

PrioritiseCalm · 13/10/2022 21:39

Jeeze you actually couldn't make it up! 🙈

Helleofabore · 13/10/2022 21:15

And if the issue that you have to write down your 'dead' name, well, perhaps there needs to be some extra counselling and support there to assist people to cope with this necessary part of life - if they want a DBS check to be able to work with underage and vulnerable people.

They either do want to work with those people or they don't.

That this can be framed as 'traumatic' to write down your previous names for this kind of process really doesn't help anyone to exist in modern society.

Smilelesstalkmore · 13/10/2022 21:11

Unless you have something to hide, why would a DBS check cause anxiety? It says more about the calibre of people mermaids were attracting.

Exactly! If you think the you are attracting to your charity are the sort of people who will be 'anxious' about DBS checks, then isn't that a red flag in itself?!

dolorsit · 13/10/2022 20:54

MargaritaPie · 13/10/2022 14:32

"There was a rumour that their volunteers abandoned them."

There is a rumour that Joshua Moon has now closed kiwifarms and will dedicate his life to helping LGBT people.

See I can make things up too. Rumours aren't worth anything without a source.

We know that you make things up.

Helleofabore · 13/10/2022 20:44

Why would anyone believe this organisation at this point?

They should have so little credibility that people should just assume they are either exaggerating or lying. No one should be being abused, however I question where that abuse is coming from and what it consists of. I doubt it is from feminists.

TheBiologyStupid · 13/10/2022 20:36

current

TheBiologyStupid · 13/10/2022 20:35

Or, indeed, are still seeking to attract despite the curr shitstorm.

Shakenotslurred · 13/10/2022 20:33

Smilelesstalkmore · 13/10/2022 20:01

The line about DBS checks often causing anxiety makes me laugh - I mean anyone who has had one has probably imagined the scenario of the check coming back saying that you have a conviction for armed robbery from 1998 that you had completely forgotten about (or is that just me?!)

But if a DBS check is causing genuine anxiety then isn't that a bit worrying in itself?

Unless you have something to hide, why would a DBS check cause anxiety? It says more about the calibre of people mermaids were attracting.

Imissmybabygirl · 13/10/2022 20:21

TheClogLady · 13/10/2022 00:11

Could be angry parents!

Or companies asking for refunds
on the training courses.

Angry parents was my initial thoughts too, another poster mentioned journalist which is quite likely!

Smilelesstalkmore · 13/10/2022 20:01

The line about DBS checks often causing anxiety makes me laugh - I mean anyone who has had one has probably imagined the scenario of the check coming back saying that you have a conviction for armed robbery from 1998 that you had completely forgotten about (or is that just me?!)

But if a DBS check is causing genuine anxiety then isn't that a bit worrying in itself?

Shakenotslurred · 13/10/2022 19:16

Sparklybutold · 12/10/2022 23:53

So... Mermaids closes chat lines owing to abusive phone calls. I can't help but think this is awful behaviour from those ringing.

But wouldn’t that depend on your definition of abuse? In mermaids eyes, telling a child no is literal violence and asking questions is transphobic hate, so I’d like to know exactly what this ‘abuse’ consisted of first before firming an opinion

TheBiologyStupid · 13/10/2022 18:18

Did anyone else read the sentence “Mermaids chat line closes due to abusive phone calls” and have the initial reaction: “making or receiving them?” . Given their behaviour to the LGB Alliance…

😂

Sophoclesthefox · 13/10/2022 18:11

Did anyone else read the sentence “Mermaids chat line closes due to abusive phone calls” and have the initial reaction: “making or receiving them?” . Given their behaviour to the LGB Alliance…😬

Such is my low opinion of them. They could turn that round. But they’d have to take the criticism they’re receiving seriously, and on current form, not much chance of that.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 13/10/2022 18:08

AlisonDonut · 13/10/2022 16:37

This has alarmed me quite a lot. What are 'trans friendly DBS' procedures....and why would trans people need different DBS procedures to actual DBS procedures?

If let's say, you had been in prison for something it sits on your records. If you 'transition', basically get a new name, then when you complete a new DBS it is completely on you whether you mention your old name or not. The DBS people allow this because trans people are for some reason sacred. It says in the form that if you have transitioned, you can contact them outside the form for the check. Which means of course if you don't want to you don't have to.

In yesterday's job description evidence, it appears that mermaids specifically operates a 'trans friendly' DBS process. We don't know just how friendly of course. But it already is trans friendly. How much more 'trans friendly' can it be?

Of course if we made an assumption that trans people need to have an opt out of DBS system because they are all ex criminals, then we'd be transphobic. But for them, it's fine.

It's unbelievable that a charity where staff talk to children below the age of consent about sex, sexual identity, their bodies, drug use and how to illegally access drugs, don't have fully enhanced DBS checks on their staff. If they've been "making up" their own checks, that in itself should shut them down tomorrow.

I hope that Miriam Cates and other politicians have referred them to the police as this is turning out to be a major scandal and they need forensic examination of their practices.

Untitledsquatboulder · 13/10/2022 18:01

PrioritiseCalm · 13/10/2022 08:03

FFS. Talk about hiding in plain sight! Why on earth would you need a different DBS from anyone else?!

I guess admitting you once had a different name and sex must be very triggering Hmm

YouSirNeighMmmm · 13/10/2022 17:07

I wonder what percentage of the "abuse" is people phoning up to ask why they (the individual and mermaids) are pushing such a bigoted agenda what leaves young people genitally mutilated and sterile?

I wonder what percentage of the "abuse" is people phoning up with the sole intention of wasting staff time to minimise the harm the staff can do to vulnerable kids who might otherwise get through?

ReunitedThorns · 13/10/2022 16:48

Seems typical DARVO behaviour.

AlisonDonut · 13/10/2022 16:37

This has alarmed me quite a lot. What are 'trans friendly DBS' procedures....and why would trans people need different DBS procedures to actual DBS procedures?

If let's say, you had been in prison for something it sits on your records. If you 'transition', basically get a new name, then when you complete a new DBS it is completely on you whether you mention your old name or not. The DBS people allow this because trans people are for some reason sacred. It says in the form that if you have transitioned, you can contact them outside the form for the check. Which means of course if you don't want to you don't have to.

In yesterday's job description evidence, it appears that mermaids specifically operates a 'trans friendly' DBS process. We don't know just how friendly of course. But it already is trans friendly. How much more 'trans friendly' can it be?

Of course if we made an assumption that trans people need to have an opt out of DBS system because they are all ex criminals, then we'd be transphobic. But for them, it's fine.

slowquickstep · 13/10/2022 16:31

Fantastic news, hope the calls hurt their feelings

potniatheron · 13/10/2022 15:24

AlisonDonut · 13/10/2022 09:34

Just remember that just yesterday, after the paedo Trustee, after the Digital Engagement officer and his anus and penis art on twitter, after the safeguarding and binder issues they STILL are recruiting with 'trans friendly DBS' procedures.

I doubt they have any hint of safeguarding or have even considered that kids need any.

After all if kids, at age 3, can be 'trans' why should adults do anything to prevent any harm as 3 year olds have enough agency for themselves.

The whole thing needs shutting down immediately. And all adjacent and similar groups need to be investigated.

Just remember that just yesterday, after the paedo Trustee, after the Digital Engagement officer and his anus and penis art on twitter, after the safeguarding and binder issues they STILL are recruiting with 'trans friendly DBS' procedures.

This has alarmed me quite a lot. What are 'trans friendly DBS' procedures....and why would trans people need different DBS procedures to actual DBS procedures?