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Mermaids closes chatlines

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Sparklybutold · 12/10/2022 23:53

So... Mermaids closes chat lines owing to abusive phone calls. I can't help but think this is awful behaviour from those ringing.

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TheClogLady · 20/10/2022 10:18

Aside from Transactivism UK the only other organisation I have seen defending Darren Mew is this one:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3943902-Prostasia

Lots of individuals working for other orgs have expressed support, either for Mew or for Mermaids questionable safeguarding breaches, including a young adult who volunteers at residential events for trans identifying children and teenagers run by Gendered Intelligence.

Mermaids closes chatlines
GeraniumKF · 20/10/2022 08:48

Humbolt · 17/10/2022 23:40

It would appear that the complete closure of the helpline is not supported by many of Mermaids' target market. I see they've now cancelled a regular podcast series to 'protect our hosts and guests'. This seems odd and more indicative of an organisation imploding rather than 'protecting' the two hosts.

I was interested to see these comments from a former employee of Mermaids' - I think they were some sort of digital engagement/marketing person hired on the back of their YouTube profile with the younger trans community.

I'd like to state that I don't support anyone who sent them hateful and abusive messages and/or abused their phone operators (and I don't think anyone on this thread would support that kind of behaviour). I hope they are giving those volunteers (and I imagine many are vulnerable, young trans people themselves) good support. Surely they must realise that they are failing the very people they are claiming to support. It's such a mess.

I imagine the quote in these images is a reference to Mermaids firing Darren Mew for his questionable online behaviour. There’s a group called TransActivism UK that put out a statement with a similar tone, saying that “sex work” and the LGBTQ+ community go hand-in-hand, and that Mew was being unfairly victimised. Not sure how (if?) I can link individual posts, but see those of Oct 14 in this other thread.

Datun · 19/10/2022 18:14

Helleofabore · 18/10/2022 13:14

Well now.

I wonder if Mermaids is going to take note of this statement from the Association of Clinical Psychologists UK in the advice that it gives. I mean, they have said they are not medical experts and this is a statement from medical experts.

acpuk.org.uk/the-cass-review-and-its-implications-psychologically-informed-considerations-for-the-future/

It is highly likely that staff at the new, regional gender identity development services will also experience heightened levels of political, social, ethical and clinical pressures. We recommend that appropriate and robust staff support and training, plus processes for external scrutiny and clinical governance, are built into the new service design from the very beginning.

Quite.

nauticant · 18/10/2022 13:40

Unless you have something to hide, why would a DBS check cause anxiety? It says more about the calibre of people mermaids were attracting.

An enhanced DBS check could cause anxiety if you believe you've been the subject of vexatious reporting of non-crime hate incidents to the Police.

nilsmousehammer · 18/10/2022 13:35

Not to mention - we did something wholly unacceptable and against all reasonable policy and acceptability.

But anything but fawning and enabling is 'hate'.

nilsmousehammer · 18/10/2022 13:33

We really are at 'safeguarding children is just Terf hate' now aren't we?

Women having rights is hate and transphobic
safeguarding children is hate and transphobic
people wanting to be homosexual is hate and transphobic...

Demonstrates, repeatedly, this is not a retrievable situation. There isn't a way back from that.

Helleofabore · 18/10/2022 13:14

Well now.

I wonder if Mermaids is going to take note of this statement from the Association of Clinical Psychologists UK in the advice that it gives. I mean, they have said they are not medical experts and this is a statement from medical experts.

acpuk.org.uk/the-cass-review-and-its-implications-psychologically-informed-considerations-for-the-future/

WhiteFire · 18/10/2022 00:07

I see it is still "down with the evil TERFs" rather than concerning themselves with the massive safeguarding mess.

Oh and get out of the dressing gown.

Humbolt · 17/10/2022 23:40

It would appear that the complete closure of the helpline is not supported by many of Mermaids' target market. I see they've now cancelled a regular podcast series to 'protect our hosts and guests'. This seems odd and more indicative of an organisation imploding rather than 'protecting' the two hosts.

I was interested to see these comments from a former employee of Mermaids' - I think they were some sort of digital engagement/marketing person hired on the back of their YouTube profile with the younger trans community.

I'd like to state that I don't support anyone who sent them hateful and abusive messages and/or abused their phone operators (and I don't think anyone on this thread would support that kind of behaviour). I hope they are giving those volunteers (and I imagine many are vulnerable, young trans people themselves) good support. Surely they must realise that they are failing the very people they are claiming to support. It's such a mess.

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Datun · 14/10/2022 15:23

😁

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 14/10/2022 15:22

I mentioned it once but i think i got away with it

AlisonDonut · 14/10/2022 14:53

It's all a bit Monty Python or should I say 'Don't mention the WAR Basil'.

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 14/10/2022 12:51

AlisonDonut · 14/10/2022 08:08

You are obsessed with that place aren't you.

Its like you want people to go looking there.

Its the weirdest thing

im honestly fascinated

any other rumour ever would have done as an example but no…had to mention kiwi farms, again!

Needmoresleep · 14/10/2022 12:48

I did a quick Google of PR bots.

This gives a useful summary
annenberg.usc.edu/research/center-public-relations/usc-annenberg-relevance-report/invasion-pr-bots

Russian bot farms are thought to have had a role in various high profile societal debates in the West including vaccines. Perhaps as a novel way of increasing divisions and reducing societal cohesion. Thing about bots, eh Marg, is that they don't enter debate. Just attack.

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 14/10/2022 12:35

It's just a job to them. Probably a grad at a PR agency

Huh. That makes some sense of the affect. but I mean the punter thing! And the Kiwi Farms obsession? And… everything they write? what kind of PR is that? Are they paid by our Christian Right benefactors* to make GC feminists look good?

*sarcasm, screenshotters

Datun · 14/10/2022 12:27

The important thing is that any reviews and action do not stop with Mermaids. The safety of children needs to come first.

Yes, all the organisations need scrutiny now. And at the same time, the very reason they exist needs unpicking.

If you can have an organisation of incompetents, clueless about safeguarding, with associations to child sex abuse, running services for children, based on an ideology, then the ideology needs looking at.

The entire premise for them being there in the first place needs public challenge.

Needmoresleep · 14/10/2022 12:21

landyland. Isn't 20% of Twitter supposed to be bots? It becomes apparent when someone is discussed who is know to be using a high profile/damage limitation type of PR agency.

I think this is getting too big to be limited to be contained within Mermaids. The bottom line is child safeguarding and protection. I hope that a more systemic review is organised which would set out firm safeguarding requirements both for charities working with children and young people, and particularly for charities providing education services for children and young people. The sort of requirements that schools are already used to.

I wonder whether Trustees in other organisations providing similar services are feeling nervous. Wtf has the NSPCC being doing over the past few years. Their job surely is to spot problems (and people have been telling them,) and acting to resolve them.

I wonder if there is pressure on Susie G et al to fall on their swords, to essentially get the story out of the headlines.

I also wonder whether the Charities Commission were given a green light from somewhere within Government to take the action they are taking. (Following behind the scenes work by the likes of Miriam, the Baroness and Conservative Women led by Caroline Ffiske.) Or alternatively that the evidence that was being given in the current court case, especially around competence and whether anyone at Mermaids had read the Cass report, and so the Charities Commission felt they needed to get in there first.

The important thing is that any reviews and action do not stop with Mermaids. The safety of children needs to come first.

landyland · 14/10/2022 12:09

And also what are you hiding that you did while named your old name?

Makes a mockery of the entire DBS procedure surely?

ApocalipstickNow · 14/10/2022 12:06

And by guts I mean audacity.

ApocalipstickNow · 14/10/2022 12:06

RedToothBrush · 14/10/2022 07:54

If you need counselling to write down your dead name, I'd question suitability to deal with children giving going through their own difficulties. How are you going to cope if they say something potentially triggering?

Exactly this. If you suffer anxiety at the thought of your old name how can you support a vulnerable child questioning their own gender identity? Or any vulnerable child at all?

I honestly can’t believe anyone could have the guts to claim a DBS check would cause them anxiety. If I did that I would NEVER get another job working with kids.

AlisonDonut · 14/10/2022 12:02

I do wonder how far these people will go to protect actual open paedophiles. It really is quite eye opening.

landyland · 14/10/2022 12:00

Or a human that is being paid to try and downplay any criticism of certain organisations in the face of mounting evidence. That's why they don't get angry or frustrated. It's just a job to them. Probably a grad at a PR agency.

landyland · 14/10/2022 11:59

cosmiccosmos · 13/10/2022 15:18

Hopefully they will also supply recordings of the calls of them giving 'advice' to teens so the world can see exactly what they have been doing.

I think Marge is a bot. There is no other credible explanation. No human could keep relentlessly trying to defend a position that has been so damaged and been shown to be so dodgy.

Clymene · 14/10/2022 09:10

The woman who is Mermaids helpline services supervisor is another Susie Green - started working there after she went to mermaids to transition her child.

Interestingly, she has deleted her linked in profile and locked down her Twitter.

Datun · 14/10/2022 08:26

Hugocat1 · 14/10/2022 08:04

I don’t believe it’s for abusive phone calls. I really think it’s because the majority of volunteers they had in were not background checked OR trained and could show them in even more bad light. I really think this is down to legal advice they have been given.

I honestly believe more revelations will come out which will truly shock us to the core. This is just the tip of the iceberg for that dreadful ‘charity’. They felt so empowered to try and bring down a charity that focuses on LGB with out even considering what their own house looked like - it’s obviously run by complete narcissists who are detached from reality.

Indeed. But if the charity commission want to comprehensively investigate their employees or volunteers they can just ask for a list and take it from there.