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Binding Breasts

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notidentifying22 · 12/10/2022 04:22

The latest from Lucy Leader discussing the dangers of breast binding and the complicity of LLLI in promoting a lifestyle that regards this action as harmless. Chest binding: A modern Day Version of Foot Binding

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FrancescaContini · 16/10/2022 08:56

Also interesting that teenage boys who want to “change sex” 🧐 aren’t encouraged to bind their cocks. I do wonder why………

Datun · 16/10/2022 08:13

Interesting that you never see "suck my man breasts" as an insult rather than "suck my lady dick". Wonder why .......

No! And doesn't it sound shocking!

There's zero symmetry to all this.

Datun · 16/10/2022 08:11

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 16/10/2022 00:53

Why is this person asking a forum full of women if they've ever worn a sports bra?

Don't indulge them with details!

Ugh, you're right.

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 16/10/2022 00:53

Why is this person asking a forum full of women if they've ever worn a sports bra?

Don't indulge them with details!

FemaleAndLearning · 16/10/2022 00:20

Gosh I hadn't realised how flattening or crushing binders were. Thank you for sharing those tik tok clips. I bet the women/girls jumping around for joy when they got their binders in the post can't actually do that whilst wearing a binder. This is self harm and it needs to be properly branded as that.

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 15/10/2022 15:39

MishyJDI · 13/10/2022 23:31

Anyone ever worn a sports bra? ummmm....yeah!

I wear one nearly everyday to workout in, it doesn't flatten my chest, everyone can tell I still have breasts. You're a fucking idiot to claim they are the same, and if you're so sure they are the same, then binders can be scrapped all together. They clearly are not needed.

bellinisurge · 15/10/2022 15:33

"What I'm seeing is that currently the argument is that trans men have to physically transition, but trans women don't have to do anything."

Interesting that you never see "suck my man breasts" as an insult rather than "suck my lady dick". Wonder why .......

Datun · 15/10/2022 13:20

I know Michy pens these non sequiturs and wind up posts, on purpose to, well, wind women up.

And, of course they succeed some of the time.

But what they also achieve, in huge numbers, is more and more women taking about the issues, and being shown links, clips, interviews, and films to expose exactly what the ideology does.

So while mshy goes away sniggering at enraging women on a feminist board, they end up recruiting more women to its cause.

ReunitedThorns · 15/10/2022 12:16

bellinisurge · 15/10/2022 08:46

As someone smarter than me said on Twitter, they should bind the feet of boys who want to transition. The feet and hands are a dead giveaway.
Obviously, I don't agree with the practice of binding anything but the sentiment is spot on.

On the one hand with men, there is now this concept that a woman can have a penis and beard and it is discrimination to say that they are not women. Traditional MtF trannsexuals will tuck (which does have health problems too) and do everything they can to appear female).

For women it appears that they have to have all the features of men to be considered men. I don't see the argument that men can have visible breasts pushed much.

What I'm seeing is that currently the argument is that trans men have to physically transition, but trans women don't have to do anything.

Helleofabore · 15/10/2022 12:07

Here’s a thought for @MishyJDI and Willoughby.

Go off and do the experiment for 3-5 years and come back and tell us it is just like a sports bra. Run three times a week for at least 40 minutes and document it live on camera. Wear it for 8-10 hours like teens are.

Do it and then tell us it was just like a sports bra. We will get a doctors report on not only your fitness but the structure of those breasts being crushed after that time.

Let’s get this documented and proven! those declaring snidely that it is just like a sports bra, do the challenge.

Wanderingowl · 15/10/2022 10:01

MishyJDI · 13/10/2022 23:39

ah no.... there is little difference. You should try it!

Who the actual fuck do you think you are fooling with such asinine comparisons? We are all women here, nearly all mothers, a significant proportion of us breastfed, some of us extensively. We know breasts. The only people who will cling on to the sports bra comparison are the people who are desperately trying to stay in denial for the horrible damage to young women which they have cheerled for years.

I'm mid-40s, I have naturally F cup breasts, I have been pregnant or breastfeeding for 7 years of my life, through my 30s my weight yo-yo'd and I was eventually overweight to the point of obesity. I've lost that weight now but all the changes to my breasts and the skin around them have taken a toll. And yet when I look at photographs of very young women, often still in their teens, who have been binding for a few years, the contrast is insane. They have irreversibly damaged the tissue of their breasts so badly that their breasts and mine are incomparable. It's actually hard to get my head around how damaged they are and the constant, low-level pain they must have been in to have broken down the breast tissue bit by bit.

I spend plenty of my life in a sports bra. I was reasonably athletic in my 20s and I'm highly athletic in my 40s. A sports bra does not damage my chest, it does not cause pain. On the contrary, it prevents pain. It supports my breasts when I'm jumping or running. I have a strong preference for not wearing a bra when I do upper body resistance training because I want my chest muscles to fully engage and to feel that engagement. But I have once made the mistake of going straight to burpees after weights. So I know exactly what my sports bra protects me from. The pain and damage it prevents. A binder and a sports bra are not comparable and trying to compare them is disgusting. My sports bra is an occasional aid that allows me to stay strong and healthy. A binder would destroy that.

bellinisurge · 15/10/2022 08:46

As someone smarter than me said on Twitter, they should bind the feet of boys who want to transition. The feet and hands are a dead giveaway.
Obviously, I don't agree with the practice of binding anything but the sentiment is spot on.

Whatwouldscullydo · 15/10/2022 08:43

dementedpixie · 15/10/2022 08:35

My sports bra is underwired and supports my breasts. It doesn't flatten them in any way. Absolutely nothing like a breast binder

Perhaps we should treat Mishy like a teenager. You know when we tell them with certain things that of you cant talk about it then you shouldn't be doing it.

If you can't call a binder what it is. A compression device that can cause breathing issues then you are too immature and not informed enough to wear one.

If you can't say radical double mastectomy or hysterectomy and need some cutesy word for it all then again you are too immature to get one.

So much minimising of what are extremely serious interventions with long lists of possible complications with only 1 short lived and immeasurable supposedly positive side effect. Which relies totally on the same people who were prepared to lie to you about what they see anyway.

dementedpixie · 15/10/2022 08:35

MishyJDI · 13/10/2022 23:31

Anyone ever worn a sports bra? ummmm....yeah!

My sports bra is underwired and supports my breasts. It doesn't flatten them in any way. Absolutely nothing like a breast binder

Helleofabore · 15/10/2022 08:30

Those tiktok videos are great examples of just why comments like MishyJDI’s are dangerous.

Those binders are doing the very opposite to what any supportive bra is doing.

However, if a person is so weak and conditioned to view everything that is related to gender identity as only ever glowingly positive when they are an adult, they are never going to see the difference.

I think a few are not even capable of understanding why they are wrong, and that could be because they are determined to ignore the cognitive dissonance as well.

The thing that constantly surprises me is when some people are so gleefully supporting this cognitive dissonance. When posters jump onto a thread thinking they have pulled a ‘hot gotcha’ from some prominent trans influencer on twitter and post it here. It is always a giggle to see that complete lack of self awareness.

borntobequiet · 15/10/2022 08:19

ah no.... there is little difference. You should try it!

Are you crazy? As pps have said, they’re designed for entirely different things. My sports bras are comfortable, supportive and gently restraining to prevent excessive movement, not restrictive and flattening.

I was educated by nuns in the 1960s, when they still practised bodily chastisement, which included wearing hair shirts, cilices and - yes - breast binding. It was done as a penance as painful and damaging. It worries me greatly to hear of young women voluntarily subjecting themselves to similar procedures, and I think it springs from similar distress. These nuns were not happy people.

FrancescaContini · 15/10/2022 08:07

Those be-rainbowed TikToks - I could weep. What in God’s name has belief in gender ideology led us to?

What a fun-sounding, jolly name yet TikTok allows the transmission of videos showing self harm. How many young teenagers will have viewed these?

You’re right, @WandaWomblesaurus - as a mother, I am raging about this.

RFPO77 · 15/10/2022 08:03

MishyJDI · 13/10/2022 23:40

so why are you trying to police how a trans person views their body? Now there is a thought.

Would a doctor treating an anorexic patient be policing how they view their body, now there is a thought 🤔

FrancescaContini · 15/10/2022 07:59

Another very upsetting photo. Presumably she’s proud of wearing a binder and looking like this. My heart breaks for those girls and young women who think that this item will make them look like males. One day they may want to breastfeed a baby - will this be possible?

As for the companies who actively encourage the wearing of these medieval items and indeed send them to girls without requesting the parents’ agreement - you disgust me beyond belief.

WandaWomblesaurus · 15/10/2022 07:59

ANYONE who makes the assertion it's like a sports bra is minimising and encouraging abusive self harm practices on girls.
Mothers are raging up and down the country now and rightly so.
The fuckwits who are pushing lies about breast crushers are directly to blame when the reckoning comes.

They are advocating for the suppression and direct harm to girls body parts. What ghouls.

WandaWomblesaurus · 15/10/2022 07:54

@MishyJDI vm.tiktok.com/ZMF679B4X/ explain how this is a sports bra.

WandaWomblesaurus · 15/10/2022 07:53

vm.tiktok.com/ZMF67chqn/
@MishyJDI explain how this is a sports bra.

WandaWomblesaurus · 15/10/2022 07:49

MishyJDI · 13/10/2022 23:31

Anyone ever worn a sports bra? ummmm....yeah!

Explain how this is a sports bra.

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ReunitedThorns · 14/10/2022 23:51

Would we even be having conversations about it being safe if it was ball binding instead? I don't think so!

Compressing a body part into a confined space is obviously going to be unhealthy. Another case of common sense and logic that has to go out of the window for this trend.

Datun · 14/10/2022 15:35

Helleofabore · 14/10/2022 14:11

However, at this point I think it is fair to say that MishyJDI has the same level of intellectual ability to put forward an evidenced argument as India Willoughby.

Well done Mishy! Well done.

India doesn't have a clue. They said so themselves.

When India was on Big Brother, and they were, er moisturising their chest in front of the mirror, they were completely upfront about how they felt nothing, or words to that effect. Unsurprisingly.

It's not much of a shock that men have no clue what breasts feel like and why sports bras are necessary.