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Sheffield Central Labour Candidate - Abtisam Mohamed vs Eddie Izzard

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fromorbit · 11/10/2022 15:19

If you are based in Sheffield please lend your support to Abtisam Mohamed a strong local woman candidate, a solicitor of Yemeni descent and longstanding Labour Councillor who has done valuable local work for the community including on nurseries. Sheffield Central is a safe Labour seat so whoever is selected is going to Parliament. Eddie Izzard has also launched a campaign but besides being a celebrity, has more glitz than steel, hasn't lived in Sheffield since being a student, plus as we all know is unclear about who they are.

Mohamed has an inspiring story, worked her way up to get a great career going and is focused on getting practical stuff done. She will make a great MP.

Abtisam Mohamed interview
www.thestar.co.uk/news/politics/sheffield-councillor-launches-her-bid-to-become-a-city-mp-3871921

Abtisam Mohamed Campaign page including a great video lots on her local concerns for the city:
abtisammohamed.com/

In contrast Izzard's campaign, getting loads of press coverage, is thin on detail:
www.eddieizzard.uk/

The local paper talked to people who questioned Izzard's chance of winning a few months back:

"In contrast, Jane Armstrong questioned her claim to run in the city.

She wrote: “I had heard this for a while and if she is fancying Central I know a lot of Labour members in that area who are really hostile to having her as a candidate. Not because she isn't nice person, but because people do not like celebrities being parachuted into wards above local candidates."
www.thestar.co.uk/news/politics/eddie-izzard-sheffield-readers-share-their-thoughts-on-comedians-bid-to-be-city-centrals-next-mp-3821984?itm_source=parsely-api

Apparently several other councillors may be standing as well so it should be an interesting contest.

I am not sure when the cut off point if you join Labour locally you will get to vote on who the candidate is. The actual contest has not yet begun yet but if I were local I would be signing up.

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PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior · 12/10/2022 10:59

Students through history have shown very little interest in voting full stop. I don't see that suddenly changing for this one event, especially after the lib dems nick Clegg complete fuck up.

I think the issue is that the Labour candidate will have to get through party selection in the constituency first, which is going to have a strong student bent. The students who are Labour party members in the constituency obviously aren't going to be representative of the student population as a whole, and constituency parties are never representative of the electorate, but it's a hurdle that will have to be passed.

Izzard is more towards the Blairite wing of the Labour party and has a long history in that capacity, and both constituency parties and student Labour members usually prefer more left leaning candidates instead. This is a generalisation though, I don't have specific local knowledge of Sheffield Central.

TheClogLady · 12/10/2022 10:49

BlackForestCake · 12/10/2022 10:25

This is nuts. Dozens of misogynist Greens are saying they will campaign against the Green candidate and for Izzard. All the left and environmental policies don't matter a jot. They'll support a Blairite who's "trans inclusive" over their own party. They don't care about anything else. (Just search Sheffield Green Party on Twitter for this)

Perhaps it will wake up some of the long established Green members who are really in it for the environmental issues?

Labour will pull your membership for supporting a rival candidate online (counts as campaigning against your own candidate) wonder if the Greens have a similar policy?

NotNowFGS · 12/10/2022 10:45

Not sure but think the bulk of students will be in the Sheffield Hallam constituency.

lifeturnsonadime · 12/10/2022 10:42

BlackForestCake · 12/10/2022 10:25

This is nuts. Dozens of misogynist Greens are saying they will campaign against the Green candidate and for Izzard. All the left and environmental policies don't matter a jot. They'll support a Blairite who's "trans inclusive" over their own party. They don't care about anything else. (Just search Sheffield Green Party on Twitter for this)

And if this isn't proof that there is an anti woman's rights agenda, I have no idea what is.

BlackForestCake · 12/10/2022 10:25

This is nuts. Dozens of misogynist Greens are saying they will campaign against the Green candidate and for Izzard. All the left and environmental policies don't matter a jot. They'll support a Blairite who's "trans inclusive" over their own party. They don't care about anything else. (Just search Sheffield Green Party on Twitter for this)

lifeturnsonadime · 12/10/2022 10:03

Eddie might be 'gender fluid', whatever the fuck that means, but when Eddie is in girl mode she/ her pronouns are used and presumably Eddie is a 'woman' and anyone who thinks differently is a transphobe.

I would LOVE to see the likes of Nandy & Starmer answer specific questions on why the likes of Izard should have the right to access single sex spaces.

Bring it on.

TheClogLady · 12/10/2022 09:55

who has made islamophobic remarks in the past,

Posie criticised the hijab. Specifically for minor girls.

I think that would go down very well right now.

Datun · 12/10/2022 09:50

Whatever happens, the trans issue is going to be under the spotlight.

And as soon as Eddie gets asked any questions, it will be blinding.

Eddie was completely incoherent when somebody asked him about men in women's sport. Because there is no acceptable answer other than no.

Plus, the fact that a TRA has already come on saying how awful it would be for KJK to go up against Izzard is confirmation of what a great idea it is.

risefromyourgrave · 12/10/2022 09:29

Eddie’s not good enough for the TRA’s!

Sheffield Central Labour Candidate - Abtisam Mohamed  vs Eddie Izzard
fromorbit · 12/10/2022 09:25

Labour MP candidate selection process

  1. Applications submitted
  2. Party branches and affiliated organisations make
nominations
  1. Longlisting and shortlisting by CLP selection committee
  2. Campaign period (shortlisted candidates can canvass for
support from members etc.)
  1. Hustings meeting - All local party members get to vote on who is selected.
  2. NEC endorsement -

We ae at stage 1 so long way to go

Re KJK standing vs Izzard if Izzard wins the selection process, not sure it is needed. The already selected Green Candidate for Sheffield Central Alison Teal is like many members of the party Gender Critical. So either way there will be options.

twitter.com/alisonclareteal/status/1577341145297846273

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Hoppinggreen · 12/10/2022 09:04

Runningintolife · 11/10/2022 17:30

Happy to see Eddie or any other trans identifying person stand for selection or election in a democracy.

Trans people should be treated exactly the same as everyone else.
Judged on their policies and commitment to the local area rather than how famous or special they are

Birdsweepsin · 12/10/2022 08:56

twitter.com/DisabledJess/status/1579848351469957122?s=20&t=kL10_WUW1FRUX7YMJB8u9g

TRAs assuming that Eddie has got it already

EmmaH2022 · 12/10/2022 08:53

Floisme · 12/10/2022 07:36

I bet Keir Starmer is crossing all his fingers that Abtisam Mohamed gets selected. Imagine putting all that work into avoiding an issue only to have it blown wide open by Eddie Izzard Grin

Does anyone know how the selection process works please?

SocialConnotations · 12/10/2022 08:52

aweegc · 12/10/2022 08:07

This is quite a disgusting move. A white, wealthy, politically-inexperienced EI parachuted into a ward where a woman of colour with an immigrant background is standing and well-qualified to stand. EI's participation there wil force Abtisam Mohammed into the gender debate and the ensuing abuse. I have zero doubt that she's well accustomed to dealing with misogynistic, racist and xenophobic people, however, this will undoubtedly raise her profile with a lot of people who will add to those attacks if she states that she knows what biology is, or even hints that she might.

The Labour Party allowing EI in there is directly opening her up to a high rate of abuse.

There's a lot of talk about how white feminists don't care about women of different ethnicities - which I don't buy into, although not saying it doesn't happen. It's tricky here because I feel it's patronising to even raise the issue. At the same time, we know that Muslims and women and immigrants face increased level of abuse, so I don't think it should be ignored either. I believe Abtisam Mohammed can fight her own battles for the position she wants and I also believe she shouldn't have ever been put in a position - especially for an over-entitled celebrity - to have to engage in this particular one.

If KJK does stand then that will remove some of the heat from AM, but will also make it a single issue election in which other candidates cannot fail but get involved.

The newspapers must be rubbing their hands in glee at this prospect.

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Helleofabore · 12/10/2022 08:48

What steps has Eddie taken to transition?

I also doubt there has been any breast development. Because they still take male roles and I doubt that Eddie is wearing a binder to do them.

And I am laughing that someone has made out that a brief moment decades ago going to uni at Sheffield is sooo much better, like, than KJK standing with no connection. That is rather a very long stretch.

MaChienEstUnDick · 12/10/2022 08:31

Wow, I saw EI's video yesterday and assumed Eddie had been selected. That's... a certain type of over-confidence, isn't it?

I hate when celeb candidates are parachuted into seats, it's insulting to the grassroots members and councillors who have grafted away for years.

tangledyarn · 12/10/2022 08:15

I'm in Sheffield central, not sure everyone has declared yet but am feeling positive about Abdi so far, although will have to do some research on them all. Im not likely to be voting for EI.

twitter.com/Abdi_SHF/status/1579447377320378370?t=f3Bqgr1lK9j6npuUKeoVvg&s=08

cosmiccosmos · 12/10/2022 08:12

Why doesn't EI just cut out all the work and go straight to identifying as the prime minister Wink

flashbac · 12/10/2022 08:10

Lottapianos · 11/10/2022 16:20

'Just out of interest, does anyone know Abtisam's position on gender ideology?'

My thoughts exactly. She sounds like a very impressive candidate so far, but she needs to acknowledge biology and women's rights to single sex spaces

I think she will need to keep her cards close to her chest on this, until she wins, otherwise its career suicide. Sad but true.

zen1 · 12/10/2022 08:10

I find it very arrogant of Izzard to use his celebrity platform in a push to fulfil his long-held desire to become an MP. It doesn’t seem to matter to him which constituency he stands in and it is very unpalatable that he is willing to displace a local woman with proven community links who has clearly worked hard for the local area. It’s
all very “me, me, me.”

aweegc · 12/10/2022 08:07

This is quite a disgusting move. A white, wealthy, politically-inexperienced EI parachuted into a ward where a woman of colour with an immigrant background is standing and well-qualified to stand. EI's participation there wil force Abtisam Mohammed into the gender debate and the ensuing abuse. I have zero doubt that she's well accustomed to dealing with misogynistic, racist and xenophobic people, however, this will undoubtedly raise her profile with a lot of people who will add to those attacks if she states that she knows what biology is, or even hints that she might.

The Labour Party allowing EI in there is directly opening her up to a high rate of abuse.

There's a lot of talk about how white feminists don't care about women of different ethnicities - which I don't buy into, although not saying it doesn't happen. It's tricky here because I feel it's patronising to even raise the issue. At the same time, we know that Muslims and women and immigrants face increased level of abuse, so I don't think it should be ignored either. I believe Abtisam Mohammed can fight her own battles for the position she wants and I also believe she shouldn't have ever been put in a position - especially for an over-entitled celebrity - to have to engage in this particular one.

If KJK does stand then that will remove some of the heat from AM, but will also make it a single issue election in which other candidates cannot fail but get involved.

The newspapers must be rubbing their hands in glee at this prospect.

Iliveonahill · 12/10/2022 08:05

Is the word “froth” just an abusive word used for women by men? It’s only women that froth …………

BadGranny · 12/10/2022 07:57

I wouldn’t give Eddie Izzard the time of day. When he was awarded an honorary doctorate at Sheffield University, at the degree ceremony he bragged about not completing his undergraduate course, but getting a doctorate anyway. It was such an insult to all the students who were collecting degrees that they’d worked really hard for for several years.

Moonatics · 12/10/2022 07:56

SecretTransTwitterEngineer · 12/10/2022 05:42

Izzard states that she's genderfluid, like she's not a binary trans person, though she has medically transitioned somewhat. Obviously I'm desperate to see an actual 'out' trans person in parliament, but Abtisam Mohamed seems good too - there's also another candidate, Abdi Suleiman, who seems great. All look like they'd make excellent MPs.

WRT KJK as an independent candidate, like, she wouldn't get her deposit back - it's a relatively progressive area with lots of students, how do you think they are going to react to someone with no connection to the place, who has made islamophobic remarks in the past, is far too au fait with the far right and froths with hate at trans people on her YT channel? Like, really?

Surely if izzard is gender fluid the pronouns should be they?
I dont think izzard had transitionecin any way, if you think top surgery I think prosthetics.
Theres already an out trans person in parliament, Jamie Wallis I think is the name.

KJK might not much care about a refund, the main point is to show up this shit show. Money is not the the issue.
Students through history have shown very little interest in voting full stop. I don't see that suddenly changing for this one event, especially after the lib dems nick Clegg complete fuck up.

I dont think she froths, I dont think she hates trans people, she simply fights for women and thinks we matter and deserve our own spaces, I do too. She is just much much better at getting air time, putting across her point well and standing her ground. And she is of course willing to do this where I wouldnt be.

bellinisurge · 12/10/2022 07:53

His little vid is all me me me. I know someone in the constituency. They are more impressed by Abtisam Mohammed.