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Sheffield Central Labour Candidate - Abtisam Mohamed vs Eddie Izzard

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fromorbit · 11/10/2022 15:19

If you are based in Sheffield please lend your support to Abtisam Mohamed a strong local woman candidate, a solicitor of Yemeni descent and longstanding Labour Councillor who has done valuable local work for the community including on nurseries. Sheffield Central is a safe Labour seat so whoever is selected is going to Parliament. Eddie Izzard has also launched a campaign but besides being a celebrity, has more glitz than steel, hasn't lived in Sheffield since being a student, plus as we all know is unclear about who they are.

Mohamed has an inspiring story, worked her way up to get a great career going and is focused on getting practical stuff done. She will make a great MP.

Abtisam Mohamed interview
www.thestar.co.uk/news/politics/sheffield-councillor-launches-her-bid-to-become-a-city-mp-3871921

Abtisam Mohamed Campaign page including a great video lots on her local concerns for the city:
abtisammohamed.com/

In contrast Izzard's campaign, getting loads of press coverage, is thin on detail:
www.eddieizzard.uk/

The local paper talked to people who questioned Izzard's chance of winning a few months back:

"In contrast, Jane Armstrong questioned her claim to run in the city.

She wrote: “I had heard this for a while and if she is fancying Central I know a lot of Labour members in that area who are really hostile to having her as a candidate. Not because she isn't nice person, but because people do not like celebrities being parachuted into wards above local candidates."
www.thestar.co.uk/news/politics/eddie-izzard-sheffield-readers-share-their-thoughts-on-comedians-bid-to-be-city-centrals-next-mp-3821984?itm_source=parsely-api

Apparently several other councillors may be standing as well so it should be an interesting contest.

I am not sure when the cut off point if you join Labour locally you will get to vote on who the candidate is. The actual contest has not yet begun yet but if I were local I would be signing up.

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Smilelesstalkmore · 28/10/2022 10:45

Heliotroper · 27/10/2022 20:06

““If they do want a supercharged councillor, there are great people there. But the thing that I bring that is different, is their activism has been local and my activism has been national and international .. Because I have a personality, I am a character, and I am known across the UK and across the world, people will be saying: ‘Eddie Izzard, so tell me about Sheffield. Where is Sheffield?’"

Could he be any more condescending? I am sure the locals will love this sort of attitude.

I can't believe he actually said this? Has he been misquoted or something?!

Beowulfa · 28/10/2022 10:41

"Hello little people of Sheffield, England! I've come to rescue you from your geographical misfortune. I'll be able to tell all my global celebrity mates at my London parties, in London, about where you are (between London and the North Pole) and show them photos of you going about your daily lives in your charming country ways. Don't forget to vote for me so you can see me representing you on the telly, whilst talking about myself and my life!"

Helleofabore · 28/10/2022 10:15

Let’s face it. There is a low bar for abuse these days for some groups, yet women are expected to just dismiss a cream pie and not call it violence.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/10/2022 10:02

This also implies that they hung over the cubicle door while Eddie was going, which is entirely dishonest.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/10/2022 10:01

including being photographed by a gender-critical feminist using the women’s toilet

The horror. Perhaps he/she/they could pop back into boy mode when he/she/they needs the loo, I'm sure it's quicker and easier, and leave women in peace.

PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior · 28/10/2022 09:37

Ouch, that was badly phrased. I realise EI is obviously going to have to position this as a national v local experience thing, which is ok in itself. Perfectly fine to say I think my time on the NEC is particularly helpful and qualifies me better than the other candidates who haven't been on the NEC because list of reasons. But that was emphatically not the way to put it! And Izzard is smart, a good writer. Why did they think this was a good idea?!

Clymene · 28/10/2022 09:35

zen1 · 27/10/2022 17:56

The Guardian reports that

In a short telephone interview with the Guardian on Thursday, Izzard said she had suffered a “torrent of transphobic abuse” since announcing her candidacy, including being photographed by a gender-critical feminist using the women’s toilet.

www.theguardian.com/culture/2022/oct/27/eddie-izzard-rules-out-appearing-on-all-women-labour-mp-shortlist

It's abusive to photograph a man coming out of the women's toilet?

Eddie is legally male.

fromorbit · 28/10/2022 09:29

zen1 · 27/10/2022 20:39

Yes, that is a cringeworthy level of arrogance. Does he really believe he is better positioned to represent Sheffield constituents than those who live and work there and understand issues at a local level?

Massive Own Goal considering the short list will be drawn up by some people who are local councillors and local CLPs have close councillor connections.

Not going to help the campaign at all if Sheffield people have seen it. Lots of Labour MPs were councillors.

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Heliotroper · 27/10/2022 20:57

and his quotes make basic political errors as they are full of statements that do not look good to start with and can be twisted further by opponents who will be broadcasting that Eddie is saying that nobody knows where Sheffield is

Heliotroper · 27/10/2022 20:55

It is great that he is taking time out from his busy life to shower a bit of stardust and glitz onto the poor little northerners

Lottapianos · 27/10/2022 20:51

That whole Guardian piece was pure cringe. His arrogance is off the scale and he seems to have no self-awareness. Also hope that normal people see through him and he comes last. Might send a message to the wider Labour party to get their heads out of their backsides on this issue

zen1 · 27/10/2022 20:39

Heliotroper · 27/10/2022 20:06

““If they do want a supercharged councillor, there are great people there. But the thing that I bring that is different, is their activism has been local and my activism has been national and international .. Because I have a personality, I am a character, and I am known across the UK and across the world, people will be saying: ‘Eddie Izzard, so tell me about Sheffield. Where is Sheffield?’"

Could he be any more condescending? I am sure the locals will love this sort of attitude.

Yes, that is a cringeworthy level of arrogance. Does he really believe he is better positioned to represent Sheffield constituents than those who live and work there and understand issues at a local level?

Heliotroper · 27/10/2022 20:06

““If they do want a supercharged councillor, there are great people there. But the thing that I bring that is different, is their activism has been local and my activism has been national and international .. Because I have a personality, I am a character, and I am known across the UK and across the world, people will be saying: ‘Eddie Izzard, so tell me about Sheffield. Where is Sheffield?’"

Could he be any more condescending? I am sure the locals will love this sort of attitude.

mrshoho · 27/10/2022 18:41

If Izzard is expecting the good people of Sheffield to refer to him as a she I think he's going to alienate a huge amount of people. I hope he comes last.

zen1 · 27/10/2022 17:56

The Guardian reports that

In a short telephone interview with the Guardian on Thursday, Izzard said she had suffered a “torrent of transphobic abuse” since announcing her candidacy, including being photographed by a gender-critical feminist using the women’s toilet.

www.theguardian.com/culture/2022/oct/27/eddie-izzard-rules-out-appearing-on-all-women-labour-mp-shortlist

RoyalCorgi · 27/10/2022 17:18

TheClogLady · 27/10/2022 14:31

I was just listening to Matthew Goodwin on Brendan O’Neill’s podcast and he said that the TWAW position is held by around 5% of the electorate.

Crazy that Labour are willing to alienate themselves from voters like this.

I'd like to know the source of that figure. I'm not disputing it, but it would be good to be able to cite it.

Why are Labour willing to alienate the electorate? I don't know, but I would guess that a) they are keen to get the youth vote, and much larger proportions of young people believe TWAW than in the electorate as a whole and b) Starmer is probably surrounded by young policy dudes who reassure him that this is a really important civil rights issue and the only people who disagree are silly old women who are such bigots that there is no point trying to win their vote.

cansu · 27/10/2022 16:58

I actually think Izzard will struggle. It might be a safe seat but the people of Sheffield will want to vote for someone who can represent their concerns. This will not be a celebrity from London who doesn't know what gender they are.

Abhannmor · 27/10/2022 16:37

Silly comment by Lee Anderson. I'd have no problem following Eddie Izzard into the toilet. He is a man and so am I .

Always assuming it was the men's toilet! Yes , it will be interesting to see if he is given a written warning by Knacker of the Yard. Actually he looks a bit intimidating.

TheClogLady · 27/10/2022 15:54

Maybe we should all present ourselves at our local police station and demand to be arrested en mass? Inspired by Rosie, who seems to be setting off a little wave of rebellion.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=sUs1RJabN4s

TheClogLady · 27/10/2022 15:51

Probably going to be a bit too busy to draw the Tombola at the Sheffield CLP Xmas party, eh?

Lottapianos · 27/10/2022 15:12

'A conservative MP Lee Anderson has been reported to the police for hate crime. He commented on Eddie and toilets. Will be interesting to see if the police have the time to investigate this.'

Oh FFS. Maybe not a bad thing though, yet more sunlight for the whole issue

Emotionalsupportviper · 27/10/2022 15:09

TheClogLady · 27/10/2022 14:31

I was just listening to Matthew Goodwin on Brendan O’Neill’s podcast and he said that the TWAW position is held by around 5% of the electorate.

Crazy that Labour are willing to alienate themselves from voters like this.

I strongly suspect that it would drop to about 0.05% of the electorate if they were aware that we are taking about Karen White and not Hayley Cropper.

Emotionalsupportviper · 27/10/2022 15:07

A number of women have been arrested (and of course, later realised, because there is no "crime") for similar comments.

The process is the punishment. I await with interest the Met response to 30p-Lee's comments.

TheClogLady · 27/10/2022 14:39

Screenshots of the Facebook post, ‘reactions’ to the post, story of the police report, plus Guardian story of the ‘hatecrime’ from yesterday…

www.chad.co.uk/news/people/ashfield-mp-accused-of-clear-cut-hate-crime-for-remarks-about-eddie-izzard-3895758m

www.theguardian.com/culture/2022/oct/26/tory-mp-under-fire-for-transphobic-comments-about-eddie-izzard

Sheffield Central Labour Candidate - Abtisam Mohamed  vs Eddie Izzard
Sheffield Central Labour Candidate - Abtisam Mohamed  vs Eddie Izzard
Sheffield Central Labour Candidate - Abtisam Mohamed  vs Eddie Izzard
Sheffield Central Labour Candidate - Abtisam Mohamed  vs Eddie Izzard
Sheffield Central Labour Candidate - Abtisam Mohamed  vs Eddie Izzard