I'm not a woman - which facilities should I use

many trans people often don’t have the same hormones, brain patterns and in some cases there are very blurred lines with genitalia. Telling someone ‘well, you’ve got all the bits, you must be a woman’ doesn’t help when that persons brain says otherwise.

There is great variety between the millions of women in the world. Different shapes, sizes, brains, thought patterns, hormone balances and all the other things which make us individual. Quite a few women are physically taller or stronger than the average man, play more football, earn more, are better at physics and maths, perform more similarly to the average male on certain tests, etc. This does not make them any less female.

Bingo! Proved my point above.

Gender ideology is another meaningless word fart.

Well I'm a trans person, which I presume 'supporter of gender ideology' means, but I'm more concerned why you've come to anti-trans central to ask that question when you want 'supporters of gender ideology'?

Also, what the hell is gender ideology?

Can you explain what a gender ideologist is please op?

In all this discussion, I mourn for women's toilets. In schools, in nightclubs with lots of seats, mirrors and sinks in a big, communal space - where you could mess about, laugh uproariously, (smoke!) and not have to "perform" for the men outside. I'm a bit too prudish (and only had male friends in those days) but my younger women friends laugh about squeezing two of you into a cubicle as it was quicker.

Gender neutral toilets will take away a valuable women's space and call it progress.

You. are asking what gender ideologues would say?
well firstly they they might dismiss you as you believe biological sex is relevant and they don't, whether or not you describe. that view. as 'anti trans.' I don't think I'm transphobic but I'm definitely gender critical which for stonewall etc makes me transphobic by definition.
I think stonewall would ultimately advocate for neutral spaces where people can go irrespective of the gender they align (third bathroom or cubicles) or suggest that in the meantime people like yourself who don't align with either gender just go into whatever loo they fancy, breezing in with the inscouciance of someone who doesn't think it matters.
But I'd say that agender or gender neutral doesn't make a great deal of sense. To me you are a biological woman, a woman, who chooses not to identify with the conventional stereotypical constraints on being a woman. It's just a fancy way of being a seventies feminist.

If women's facilities are for people who identify as women, what so other non transmen use?

Women's toilets are NOT for people who "identify" as women - they are for women. You know - biological females - the ones observed female at birth, whether they "identify" as men, ninary, non-binary, 2-spirit, cat, unicorn or whatever.

SEX dictates which facilities people should use, not gender identity.

I have no idea what the second part of your sentence means - obviously a typo for "what do other non-transmen use" - but what on earth do you mean by "non-transmen"?

There is no science to show a trans person is a special kind of human. There is certainly nothing in law to give any trans person a free pass.

Exactly- the brain scan didn’t show anything! 😀

They probably aren’t answering it because they aren’t here on this thread. Pretty much al the GC women on this thread are saying that they reject the attempted re-definition of womens toilets (and the rest) as gender-based rather than sex based, and are all treating toilets (and the rest) as if they were sex-based, as that’s the only thing that makes any sense.

I suspect “they” would say that the best answer is to have all “gender neutral” toilets so everyone feels comfortable. But plenty of people don’t feel comfortable or safe without the sex-segregation in toilets (etc). And often “gender neutral” is just made from the womens loos, which is infuriating. I prefer to refer to those as “mixed sex” which highlights the issue. I’m fine with additional loos being designated “gender neutral” if some people want it, but not instead.

This gender ideology nonsense and the rest of it is absolute bollocks and it's about time women, real women, stopped engaging it with it and hopefully the fad will go away. You've got a vagina yeah OP? Then you're a woman. It's really that simple.

No, Mumsnet has a pretty low bullshit threshold.

Almost as if a community of female people, most of whom have grown humans in their own bodies, has very little time for the idea that a woman is something you identify as.

So then he would use the mens cubicles surely ?

Who is 'they', OP? What do 'they' believe with respect to gender and sex? I'm not sure you are in the right place to speak with 'them' personally.

Yep, you can't fight the engineering design, it's like that for a reason

Fuck off with that. I'm not shitting myself in a corridor because some special snowflake who thinks their "gender identity" is the most important thing about them gets hurty feelz from being in the Ladies.

(And yes, I know the point the OP is making and I agree that gender ideology is a load of illogical bollocks which would be laughable if it weren't so fucking dangerous. But as a woman with disabilities I'm sick to the back teeth of accessible toilets being held up as the answer to some people's inability to grow up, pull their head out of their arse and focus on real problems.)

Sorry - should have said "many are just aware"

What on earth does needing to use a toilet have to do with sexist stereotypes? I don't understand the statement.

Exactly, @YetAnotherSpartacus

Most people of both sexes don't "identify" as anything.

They are aware that they are one or the other.