I'm not a woman - which facilities should I use

you’re not a adult female chicken, so not a hen. ETC

You are a woman, an adult female human. That’s the definition of a woman.

by saying you don’t “identify” with womanhood, what do you mean? what’s to identify with when talking about a bodily description, like sex? Sex describes the type of body you have, nothing more nothing less. It leaves you free to have any personality, interests and preferences.

I think you mean you uphold the misogynistic stereotypes associated by the patriarchy with womanhood but place yourself outside it, “not me, ladies!”

that’s your problem. I don’t uphold these stereotypes and I am a woman.

I don’t have an identity regarding the colour of my eyes, the sex of my body, etc.

men and women can feel stereotypically feminine, masculine, neither or both, and this can fluctuate throughout their lives. They should be feel to express themselves as they want to in regards to this. It doesn’t change their sex.

and rearranging the whole of society bc some people have deemed to uphold patriarchal stereotypes and raise them to “identities” is not an acceptable demand, more it’s regressive and sexist. It affects women’s and girls privacy, safeguarding and sports

if you haven’t gotten to the extend of modifying your appearance to pass (aka deceive) as a male, then you should use the Ladies, unless you want to risk sexual assault in the men’s.

If you have, then respect women’ need to be safe and have privacy from males, they won’t know you aren’t one, and use the men’s.

Yes, a title of "I don't Identify as a Woman" would have been a lot less confusing!

Yes @JacketPocket I was just thinking is this a "oh, I see what you did there!" moment, a reverse if you will?

To clarify, @Whatiswrongwithmyknee is not really struggling with which loo to use, but is making the point that, according to current loopy gender ideology, a biological woman who doesn’t “identify as a woman” (as most of us here don’t, we just are aware of the fact that we are women) would not be sure which toilet they are meant to use. Opting out of gender stereotype and identity-wallowing means, in their books, that we’re all actually trans? It’s a good (but very round the houses) way of displaying the total circular-thinking, navel-gazing, self-indulgent and day-to-day impractical nature of this nonsense.

Confused me for a long time, OP, but we got there in the end.

"According to people who believe in gender ideology - say Emma Watson, for example - I am not a woman. That's why. According to gender ideology there is no more reason for me to go into the women's that there is the men's."
And you give this point of view credence because.....?

Agree with this. unlike JK who has had to fight and struggle for recognition this child 'star' who has lived in a privileged bubble the majority of her life has decreed that unless you look like a Kardashian or extra out of bridgerton you are not a woman?

P.s. despite not dressed in flowery dresses and covered in make up absolutely no one has mistaken me for a male/man.

You take advice from Emma Watson? Why? You know that you're a woman. Stick with that.

Emma Watson is a fucking idiot. She doesn't formulate her own opinions because she doesn't have the brain capacity to do so, she simply follows whatever liberal trend she finds fashionable and jumps on the bandwagon.

She is so very damaging.

Why would anyone even entertain this idea? Women’s toilets are for females. Now, I could say that being a woman meant you had to wear make up so only people wearing make up should use the Female toilets but I’d be talking out of my arse!

I don’t think we should enter into discussions about things that are obviously idiotic. I’m all for understanding but this desire to ‘see all sides’ is often taken to the extreme. No-one can ‘identify as a woman’ because the whole premise is ridiculously flawed. Women have a myriad of views and feelings.

If you’re simply asking what gender ideologists would say, they’d say the toilet you’re most comfortable in (and damn everyone else in there 🙄). If you reply that you’re not comfortable in either, this will be because society is dreadful and you’re being discriminated against, and would still be discriminated against even if a third space was provided. Chin up, perpetual victim!

Found the thread! It's really worth reading.

twitter.com/WTFoucault/status/1144980854722220032

So so true birdinahedge . Only the privileged can afford to spend time naval gazing like this. Meanwhile, the rest of us are worrying about things like fuel poverty, safeguarding against this ideology, cuts to children's services, the state of the economy and how much more shit the government can possibly get.

By that reasoning Emma Watson would probably say the suffragettes were not real women based on their 'non feminine actions' they had to resort to enable females to vote.

Seriously OP use the mens, not sure you deserve to use the female facilities if you are too embarrassed to be considered a woman.

A former MN staffer, who now Tweets as WTFoucault wrote a splendid Twitter thread about this very issue, a couple of years ago analysing it as a class issue. Luxury beliefs indeed.

Sorry, I didn't bloody save the link, so can't find it now. But it's worth following her Twitter feed.

Emma Watson feels free to invite men into women's public toilets, changing rooms, hospital wards, prisons and rape crisis groups because she will never need to use those spaces.

Once again, more perfect examples of gender ideologists ironically bringing regressive gender stereotypes to the forefront of their arguments.

And these people are biology/reality denying idiots.

a man can no more become a woman than I can become a cat.

you’re a woman. Go in the ladies. The end

I’d put Emma Watson in the same category (bin) I’d put Emma Thompson in. So out of touch with reality of real peoples lives it’s painful.

Same here. Work in an area dominated by men, despite best efforts by HR to recruit more females. Don't paint my nails, rarely wear skirts, dresses or heels, minimal make up if required ( think 2/3 times a month).

Take part in an unglamorous sport which is male dominated and also makes you pretty ugly tbh.

But I 100% define myself as a female woman (ffs don't use cis).

Op, still don't get why you have a problem with going into the women's toilets?
Genuinely.

Joking surely? I also wear trousers, work in a traditionally male environment and don't paint my nails, none of which has anything to do with my being a woman (which I am) or otherwise.

Agree. Good explanation.

i refuse to tick the box that asks if I identify as the same sex that I was born in. My Dec is woman. But I wear trousers, work in a traditionally male environment and don’t paint my nails. So I don’t identify as a woman.

I was asking about you

you said you are female but don't identify as a woman

what does that mean?

do you mean you don't agree with the idea of gender, but only in sex (ie you are your sex) so the issue of identify with a gender doesn't arise.

or you dont believe that sex determines gender but you reject the idea of two categories of gender.

please can you explain.