I'm not a woman - which facilities should I use

There is generally quite a lot of misery in the developed world at the moment. Is it because of shit like this? Have we become so ridiculously spoilt and entitled - to the extent that demanding a special toilet for a handful of people has become a perfectly valid request - that we've totally lost sight of the things to be grateful for.

I've got no gender either and am female. I have no problem using the women's loos because loos should be split by sex not gender. There is no need to have different kinds of loos according to what gender one has, there is a need for a split by sex.

Anyone of the female sex ought to be welcome in the women's loos - but there are trans men who are genetically female but have used hormones, steroids and body building up give them a very convincing-at-first-glance masculine appearance and there might be more of a grey area there. Sounds like you aren't in tgat category though OP. Have you ever been made to feel unwelcome in the women's loos by other women questioning your rights to be there?

I'm sorry that you feel uncomfortable in the women's but I feel that stems from accepting the narrative that where facilities are split for men and women, then it's gender that is meant. Reject that narrative, it's bollocks.

Seriously we should change the door symbols to a penis and a vagina and that should help everyone. You are biologically female so you use the female toilets. Only females can give birth and as you have - twice - that's the toilets you use. I have in 50 years never felt the need to question what toilet I use and can't particularly say I've ever had to declare my gender to anyone but as I have a vagina it's not rocket science to use the door with the female symbol on it surely.?

As you're non-binary, I think you should use the toilets based on your biological sex.
There's not really a need to consider using the men's toilets because you don't identify as male and you're not biologically male

I think lots of people are misreading the OP. It is kind of like a thought experiment, almost all of us could be her. And the people she is addressing and seeking answers from are the opposite of Gender Critical. She wants to hear the arguments from the opposite Gender Ideology side of how this can be sorted out so everyone gets appropriate provision.

The issue is (besides the fact this isn't their natural home), is that they don't have the answers - and they see that as a feature, not a bug.

Coming soon, toilets divided by star sign.

You heard it here first.

Obviously the OP should use the women's ie female loos, but I'm mildly curious about her question as to what the genderists think 'nonbinary' or agender people should do.
A lot seem to say 'use whichever you're comfortable with' (regardless of the comfort of others) but that doesn't help someone who has wrongly been made to feel loos are divided by 'gender' rather than sex who is therefore uncomfortable in either. Some seem to want everywhere (or at least the womens) facilities to just be 'gender neutral' ie mixed sex ... again ignoring the fact that doesn't suit many. Few seem to advocate for neutral 'third spaces' although that would seem to cater reasonably well for everyone except those who want to colonise the opposite sex facilities for validation (or worse...).

If that's an inaccurate assessment perhaps someone

Yup. I think you're right grumpy...

I don't think people even have time to stop in a public toilet and think "oh I wonder how this person identifies". A public toilet is a quick thing for most, in and out and go about your day. It's really isn't a big deal lol

Already is Rufus !😄

Pandering to all this shit does really not help women.

I am guessing many of us feel uncomfortable using public toilets. It's nothing to do with gender!

That's also my reading. Trouble is she's preaching to the choir obviously - I doubt those she's addressing will bite on this site.

Sorry but I agree with this.

Agender 🙄

Youre a biological woman. You’ve born children. You use the female toilets because that is what you are

Oh fgs. Use the ladies and stop attention seeking.

I believe the genderist line is 'use the one you're most comfortable using' .

As ever, non binaries are largely ignored. If you actually break down the boundaries successfully it's presumably just not as much fun? Because what do you do once you've queered it all?

On a.practical level: can you pee unto a urinal, do you have need of sanitary disposal and handwashing, are you of the sex that paraphilias cluster in?

If your need to use a toilet in a public place is sufficiently urgent, presumably you do like the rest of humanity and just go in the one you feel most comfortable/ least uncomfortable, even if neither option is ideal. If you are not so desperate for a pee/ poo/ to change a sanitary item that you can tie yourself in existential knots then you can clearly take the time to find a cafe with only the one toilet that is for anyone or take yourself home to use your own.

The gender ideologues don't actually care. They don't care about you, they don't care about other non-conforming people, they don't care about genuine trans people.

The ideology is the only thing that is important. As such it is deliberately confusing, contradictory and often holds many opposing ideas at the same time. It doesn't have any real answers to your question, and crucially it doesnt want to give them.

Toilets designated by sex, not gender, relate to your biology. If you have female genitals, you need to sit to wee. Therefore you need to use the toilets provided for your sex, the one with all the cubicles. You don’t have the right genitals for a urinal, so the toilets for people with penises aren’t for you. Simple.

You have borne to children. You are female.

If this a a joke then fine, but if not, get a grip.

It’ll be an interesting read….just not the read it’s supposed to be 😀

If you think toilets are divided by identity you aren't gender critical!
use the female, obviously

Gender ideologists would say "use the loo you feel most comfortable using."

I'm not a gender ideologist so I would say, use the ladies since you are a woman.

If there is a third, unisex space, you could use that. I think more unisex spaces is a good idea as long as single sex spaces are not sacrificed for them.

I don't mean to be obtuse but surely it's more uncomfortable not going to the loo than just using the loo designated to your sex?

You can't be denying you are female, you've given birth!

"Why are you giving 'identity' so much power in your life that it makes you uncomfortable to do normal bodily functions?

Ah ok. That's good Rufus. Im not fully brain awake yet, so it's confusing. Hopefully OP will come back o clarify

Navel gazing? Much?

you’re a woman, so use the womens. No one cares about what gender you think you are or what gender you think you aren’t.