I'm not a woman - which facilities should I use

Sorry your post makes no sense. 'I am not a woman...'.

You then state that you are actually a woman who identifies with the gender identity non-binary. Toilets are separated by sex. Use the toilets that align with your sex.

Think of the gains, less piss on the floor, you know they are going to smell nicer / be cleaner than the men's or any unisex offering anyway.

Are many of you purposefully misunderstanding op?

Read it again, I'm a bit shocked at the responses when she is clearly taking the piss!

Of not if.

Much if what you are saying is nonsense, OP, and your dilemma is imaginary. But you may of course be aware of that.

My advice is to forget it and find out what’s wrong with your knee, if you’re really not sure. Knee trouble needs sorting out as early as possible. You’ll regret it later in life if you don’t.

That's what the disabled toilets are there for.

Oh wait, really ....?

However I'd feel mis gendered if anyone assumed that because I go to the ladies I identify as a woman. I am not messing here. I genuinely now feel uncomfortable wherever I go.

Trust me. When people go to a public toilet someone else's gender is the last thing they are concerned with. They (well I ) do not care.Sex of the person is a different matter.

The male sex has strong form for violence, assault and harassment. There is this bizarre expectation of being safe, which to me, takes priority over any self absorbed navel gazing by people trying to slap their 'gender' in other people's faces.

I mean this kindly OP. Most women using the ladies loos won’t give a shit about your identity, so you won’t be misgendered. Your sex will, for a flicker of a second, be accurately assessed by other users and they will then be going on with their day without giving a second’s thought.

Genuinely interested to hear what supporters of gender ideology would recommend here.

I don't think there are many supporters of gender ideology on this forum so it might not be the best place to get responses from that perspective.

Im not confortable with the mens because I don't identify as a man. I am non binary also according to stonewall definition. I've borne two children so am legitimately biologically female. However I'd feel mis gendered if anyone assumed that because I go to the ladies I identify as a woman. I am not messing here. I genuinely now feel uncomfortable wherever I go.

It must be tiring being so reliant on others to validate your identity. Why do you place so much emotional weight on the assumptions of others. People make assumptions about other people all the time and sometimes these assumptions are contrary to how we think about ourselves.

Being female is your physical reality. Being "non-binary" is an identity that you use to describe your personality. Unless you have taken measures to medically androgenise yourself it's likely that most people most of the time will make the assumption that you are female. They will not need to see you enter the female toilets to think this so you might as well just accept it, it will make you so much happier in the long run if you try caring less what other people think.

I would really like a sign on some loos of a cock and balls with a line through it, like a traffic sign. That’s all the clarity I need.

😃

I agree with OP, I have a female body and by Stonewall’s definition, an ‘agender’ gender identity.

where am I supposed to pee if the ladies toilet is now for people with woman-gender?

obviously not the mens.

and there are millions of female-body, no gender-identity-people, so obvs we can’t all just use the disabled loo (unless we are actually disabled).

If non binary males can use the womens ( apparently according to ideologists )then why cant non binary females ?

Think about any of it for 2 seconds and you will see hou have been had.

use whatever facilities you like

Not sure what toilets have to do with your identity… you have a vagina so the female toilets applies. X

Also, mixed sex toilets have been tried in many places. What happens is that men piss all over the seat, and then women have to come in and clean the seat before they can sit down. It doesn’t work. Also it increases sexual assaults of women, look at the statistics and ‘educate yourself’ on how men behave around mixed sex toilets.

Where workplaces have introduced mixed sex loos, employees stick male and female labels back on, because the vast majority of people do not want mixed sex toilets. This is supposed to be a democracy. The overwhelming majority of people want single sex toilets.

Good try Whatiswrongwithmyknee. Sadly Marge and Junebug etc didn’t make an appearance - I really would like to know what their take on this is!
OTOH, I suspect that they rely on the majority of females agreeing that they do indeed identify as women, otherwise it becomes blindingly obvious that TWAW is completely meaningless. And yes, your point does emphasise that accepting transwomen into female spaces leaves a whole lot of (non-identifying) people with nowhere which is defined as being for them.
Have you tried posting this on a forum with more trans traffic (burner email & user name obviously!)?

Interestingly, one of dd’s friends (natal female, definitely a girl) can pee in a urinal. Maybe it’s a skill we should all be developing 😱

Use the womens/ladies/females.

No thanks @Waitingfordecember
I don't want to sit on piss on the seat

Yep I can see councils and businesses getting fully behind this at a time of economic crisis to solve a problem that wouldn't exist if people recognised sex as the most important factor in choosing a toilet, which seems to have worked perfectly well until some men wanted to invade women's spaces.

This thread has really highlighted a reading comprehension issue among users of this site.

'If you have issues with the word ‘woman’ then that’s between you and your therapist to work out why. There is no such thing as ‘gender identity’ it’s just stereotypes, clothes and brainfluff'

Very well said

If you have two X chromosomes then get yourself in the Ladies. .

I agree with this.

Plus if you have the anatomy of a female- use the female toilets. You are in a cubicle.

How would you urinate in a urinal?

A few women are quite masculine these days- should they all use the mens in case someone things they’re male…..

Where have all these different terms come from? What’s the end goal - honestly? 50 different kinds of toilets for people identifying as this and that? Because I don’t think a third toilet will cover it will it? There will be others who say they can’t use it for some reason. At the end of the day you have people who sit to pee, people who stand to pee and those who use a bag. FGS.

I think it’s absolutely bloody ridiculous. I go to the loo to empty myself, in and out, wash hands. I’m not spending an enormous amount of time eyeing up other people and wondering what they are….. and whether they should be there etc.

TW describing themselves as biologically female are quite wrong. As both they and you know.

This is a very simple issue, it doesn't need to be over complicated. Your sex is female - you can't opt out of that or change it. You use the toilets for your sex. Or you wait until you get home. Given the state of some public toilets, I wouldn't blame anyone for that.

So tired of this suggestion. Every year some people become seriously ill in public loos and survive because they are rescued by people who notice that someone in the stall has collapsed. Enclosed loos are simply less safe. Why should we all have less safe public loos because some people have psychological issues with clothes n make up?

I was going to say take a she wee

www.shewee.com/

But presumably OP would be too uncomfortable with that too.

You’ve overthinking this. You’re biologically female, you’ve had two kids, you are a woman. If you have issues with the word ‘woman’ then that’s between you and your therapist to work out why. There is no such thing as ‘gender identity’ it’s just stereotypes, clothes and brainfluff. Plenty of women (me!) wear trousers and zero make up. Some days I even mow the lawn and take out the bins 😱 none of this makes me less of a woman 🤣

For your own physical safety I suggest you stay out of the men’s loos.