Teachers who discuss sex-based women’s rights with transgender colleagues would be considered “transphobic” under a policy proposed by members of Britain’s largest teaching union.

The WEP's stance is drmented? Have you seen what the Tories have done and continue to do the country? They put male sex offenders in women's jails. They're suggesting that natal girls wait while transgirls use their spaces. They contaminate legistlation with gender woo. All the time lying reassuring women that they are fixing it.

How is that any less demented @teawamutu?

I have not written to the SWP (although have engaged via Twitter etc) because they don't field candidates in my constituency yet. If ever they do, I will - I wrote to them all before the last election. Labour and the Lib Dems didn't even bother to reply. WEP gave quite a good answer as an individual, but the party's stance is so demented that I couldn't possibly vote for them.

I want to vote. I want to vote not-Tory. I'm demoralised and angry but I will not go back to Labour until they stop spouting anti-women shite. Doesn't mean I love the alternative.

I've read here that the SWP and the SDP know what women are. What happened when you wrote to them @teawamutu?

1. I. Am. Not. Cheerleading.
2. I am writing to HER very regularly. As previously stated.
3. Which party would you suggest, then?

Stop cheerleading for the party that has systematically dismantled our rights for 12 years with no sign of fixing it.

Keep writing to your MP with examples of how much damage this shit is doing and ask what he is doing about it.
Vote for a party who actually know what a woman is and will protect and strengthen our rights.

Well it's certainly having a chilling effect on me. I am currently challenging our slt to make our trans policy more in line with the Cass review and safeguarding and less sexist (I'm sure you can imagine the gist of the trans policy: immediate change of pronouns good; telling parents bad), but I'm scared to keep going with it without the support of my union.

Brilliant, @MrsOvertonsWindow That's what we need.

An Australian teaching union is trying to do much the same thing, but I don't know whether they have the same protection as we do. Can't link as it's paywall protected, but here's the guts of the issue.

Australia’s academic union has issued a warning to “gender critical” researchers while resisting an internal push that could have led to their expulsion.

A motion drafted for the national council of the National Tertiary Education Union (NTEU) described gender critical research as “hate speech…masquerading as academic work” and declared that gender critical ideology was “not welcome in society or in our union”.

The motion was amended shortly before the council, an annual forum of hundreds of NTEU delegates, to “condemn the use of gender critical ideology when used to promote or defend transphobia”.

The amended version, which passed without further change, said “gender critical ideology” was “a term that is used to defend transphobic ideology and when used to do so is not consistent with academic freedom”.

Excellent idea.

This could be an open goal for Labour if they wanted it to be. They should be challenging the government on this scandal because THAT IS THEIR JOB! But they’re not because they don’t actually care about what’s right and are scared of the reaction of their own supporters. The government is weak and the Tories are divided right now. There has never been a better time for Labour to attack but they would have to make a massive U turn so they won’t.

Now there's a good idea BirdinaHedge.
The NEU need an accompanying policy that states that:

Teachers who discuss / attempt to remove sex-based women’s rights with women colleagues would be considered “sexist” under a policy proposed by members of Britain’s largest teaching union.
The National Education Union’s women's network has proposed that anyone who expects women “to participate in discussion or debate about their rights and the removal of them is sexist.

Fixed it.

Teachers who discuss sex-based women’s rights with transgender colleagues would be considered “transphobic” under a policy proposed by members of Britain’s largest teaching union.

As PP say, I'm not sure how this would come up other than in more general terms.

But if this policy is passed, then I hope there are parallel policies for women, teachers with disabilities, and those with religious beliefs: that we shouldn't be expected to participate in discussions of OUR rights with transgender colleagues.

So we're quits.

Because, as we know, the 2010 Equalities Act says ALL protected characteristics are EQUALLY protected.

TRAs and MRAs need to understand that they're not special. There is no hierarchy.

This!

Their policy doesn’t trump the law

Because these conversations could come up especially for eg in PE, sports, residentials....teachers need to decide who takes part, which staff go, how everyone is accommodated and catered for, how needs are met for staff and students ..

Quite apart from discussing important elements of the curriculum and topics for eg women's suffrage, or primogeniture, or sex based issues such as abortion, or roles in the second world war... These were all part of my education and openly discussed and debated by teachers.

And if only one party will engage with me at all on the issue, wtf am I supposed to do?

Did I once say a letter was enough? I did not.

Did I say I was happy with the Tories? I did not.

Do I think there's slightly more chance of them rowing the worst of it back, given Labour is hellbent on making it worse? Sadly, yes.

I don’t think this union has signed up to supporting the ‘Tories’. At the last general election, they paid for an advertisement urging their members and other voters interested in education to vote for the Green, Labour or Lib Dems. This was in direct contravention of the rules of their. ‘Political fund’ .

The Tories caused it.
The Tories are still putting male sex offenders in prisons with women and children.
The Tories have reported women to their employers and the police for retweeting JKR.
The Tories have suggested whole classes of natal girls wait if a trans girl wants to use their spaces.
The Tories are in power so they could change it if they want to.

But as long as you get a nicely worded letter @teawamutu.🙄

A quick look at your posting history certainly suggests a determined attempt to paint the Tories as worse than Labour on this issue, but fine.

And I direct my energies to both. I am in contact with both parties (my local Tory MP and the Labour candidates) making it very clear that my vote depends on this issue.

One of those people responds courteously and agrees to take action. Guess which one.

Or perhaps a parent like me had come into the school, worried that the teaching material was teaching the class that my children aren't simply non-conforming, but are actually of the opposite sex?

I haven't defended Labour, mildly or doggedly. I have no interest in Labour. They're not in power and I can't vote for them.

Perhaps instead of uselessly banging on about Labour, unions and a fuck load of other people who can't/won't make a difference, you could direct your energy towards those who can: The Tory Party.

This is where Labour stand on women's rights.

mobile.twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1442783035389325313

This.

@TooBigForMyBoots I admire your dogged defence of Labour, but on this issue the Tories are very much the least worst option. They're tackling some of it, while Labour are all gung ho to make it worse.

It's my red line so I'm going to need to see something positive from Starmer and co. Maybe direct your energy towards explaining this to them, not trying to harangue women into ignoring their boundaries.

Hasn't Maya Forstarter just set a precedent that disadvantaging women for talking about their rights with regards to gender ideology is discriminatory?

If schools followed this advice, couldn't they be sued?

If it were implemented, wouldn't that policy be entirely pointless given the law and the right to hold GC views? I can't see what that policy would do for the union.

I think that if they did, asked some pointy questions in the House, it could go a long way right now in terms of pushing the CP to action.

Whatever the internal battle that seems to be going on in the cabinet is about having the opposition making them look bad about it could decide who wins the day.

The LP doesn't want that to happen though, they want the gender ideologists to win, so they won't do their job.