Sunday Times exposé today

Yes. The converse would be teaching children in school that drastic weight loss is aspirational, should be celebrated, and if people don't affirm you immediately, they are bigots.

I’ve always thought the parallels between gender dysphoria and body dysmorphia were interesting. Like the person above said- no one would want to help a child who thinks they are fat, but is a healthy weight but thinner because inside they felt fat! To me it’s as illogical to encourage girls that they can become men or boys they can become women. The appropriate treatment in both eating disorders and gender dysphoria is counselling and support to see them selves as healthy, whole people. In both there is a but societal component too.

Perhaps because the objective of BEAT is to prevent eating disorders resulting in permanent changes to children's health, to the bodies, to their minds. Successful outcome for BEAT would be the child no longer needing the website because they are able to live a healthy life in their healthy body, freed from the distress of any eating disorder.

Whereas for Mermaids the objective is to support whatever disorder or distress the child has resulting in permanent changes to children's health, to their bodies, to their minds. Successful outcome for Mermaids would be the child being fully immersed in the website's ideology because they are not able to live a healthy life in their healthy body, ending up entirely in the thrall of the distress of any disorder they might have.

Well done to The Telegraph, The Times, and Daily Mail they are doing a great job of informing their readers, and thank you for sharing the links.

Maddening.

A lot of adult trans people DIY (contrary to GC beliefs, the vast majority of binary trans ppl are trying to get or are on HRT), if you want to make DIY places unprofitable, then there needs to be a sensible conversation about informed consent for adults.

She is. I am watching astonished as Sturgeon defends all of this mad, dangerous circus, evan as it collapses around us. They dismissed the Cass Report, ffs!

@DoubleShotEspresso yep. But seems Nicola Sturgeon is bashing self id through in Scotland regardless.

Thank-you for this.

How absolutely terrifying. As somebody heavily involved supporting children and young adults with ASD and many other related conditions which render them vulnerable to this utter madness I am enraged.

How did we allow this stuff to snowball to this degree?

Very encouraged though to see the media tide is quietly turning, I'm hoping the waves get stronger and louder.

This dangerous nonsense must be ceased and legislation to prevent it introduced carefully.

archive.ph/2022.10.09-061009/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/10/09/scandal-trans-charity-mermaids-warning-us/

thanks :-). Here is the archive article for anyone else who wants to read it x

If on a phone click the article then quickly toggle to aeroplane mode - the article will load but the blocking stuff won't.

Telegraph doesn't do share tokens as such, but try one of the archive sites or @ zeno001 Twitter feed (no login needed)

Has anyone got a share token for that telegraph article? Thank you

If it's not illegal to provide people with medication for which they have no prescription then it should be.

It absolutely is illegal. However if the medicines are being bought directly from outside the U.K. I think there may be a loophole (or at least a massive hole in the fence).

I need to go off and do some digging about this, but if there's any evidence that POMs are exchanging hands without a prescription in the U.K. this can be reported to the MHRA. I'm not sure how much they can do - they have been eviscerated by the public sector cuts with more to come - but they certainly clamp down on dubious Botox practices.

Thanks for the share.

We are failing these children. It's horrific. Social contagion. Encouraging the lie that human beings can change sex. Impressionable children are so easily groomed. And it is grooming. As adults, we are supposed to be the gatekeepers.

When I say 'we' I mean politicians, NHS, Govt bodies, pharma, schools, local govt and the vampire organisations who exploit children for their own gain, either to justify the irreversible surgical and hormonal damage they enflicted on their own child, to make money, or because of darker PIE type fetishes. This has got to stop.

Thank you to the journalists who are working hard to expose this.

I simply wish as much effort was put in, inviting people into schools to teach children about how perfect their bodies are just as they are. They'd never invite an anorexic in to teach children how to fool your parents into thinking you are eating.

Gender is surely just personality and personalities don't need validating every second of every day and they sure as hell don't need you to take medication bought off the Internet after speaking to people who are probably just desperate to validate what they are doing.

Anything else and they'd be prison and prosecution involved. Not a sticker for the reception notice board in your school. Or a place on the top 100 employers.

How harmful does gebder ideology have to become before people wake up to what is being done to our children and their precious amazing healthy bodies.

I’m in my 60s and have a current prescription for HRT (Oestrogel) from my GP after attending a specialist NHS menopause clinic.
When there was a HRT shortage and it was impossible to get locally I ordered some online through an online pharmacy I use occasionally. They wouldn’t sell it to me because of my age, refused outright despite the prescription.

In many services, self-medicating with illegally-obtained substances would be grounds for exclusion from the service, or for onward referral to a service dealing with the substance abuse in the first instance.

And I would expect services with a strong psychoanalytic ethos (which was the founding purpose of the Tavistock) to take a particularly strong line on that front, on the basis that the substance use will impair the service-user’s ability to think psychologically.

it really highlights how far GIDS had moved away from the original exploratory, analytic ethos of the Tavi, and raises questions at a wider Trust level about how that was allowed to happen.

Did you read the linked/suggested articles at the bottom of that piece too?

Yes, that article is a truly shocking indictment of mermaids. But it's also scandalous that the charity commission had not investigated them before.

Being so slow to drag their heels it's so wrong, it indicates capture, to me.

The (very selfish) thing that pisses me off is that I get hormones prescribed and dispensed online for HRT as my GP is inadequate. This is completely legal. I worry that women’s ability to get appropriate treatment will be reduced to stop teenage boys buying them (and lying about what it’s for). All because they are being groomed online by TRAs.

All this “the waiting lists are too long so we have to get illegal hormones online” - I eagerly anticipate people glitterwashing abuse of any & all drugs on the same basis. People are waiting years for joint replacement surgeries & indeed “just” to access pain management: don’t think anyone would hop on board with them buying [additional] pain medication from overseas to try to cope.

And of course getting cannabis on prescription - on the NHS, at least, there seem to be some private companies with vastly more elastic qualification categories - remains almost impossible. Importing that wholesale (or indeed retail or, er, at all, in any way, basically) isn’t allowed.

Funny priorities Reddit has - RW politics, feminism & lesbianism are to be evicted (“lesbianism” is to be exalted, naturally) & the metaphorical earth salted once this is achieved. But crack right on with this kind of child endangerment & the subs that celebrate rape etc.

It's so cynical.

Teach kids about made up 'gender identity'' and that they all have one and then get to treat them for all the 'symptoms' they develop as a result.

The question of how the Tavistock clinicians interacted with the knowledge that children and young people on their 1 year + waiting list were buying hormones themselves is an important thing to dig into more. Did they for instance tell them which ones to buy? Via their CAMHS team? Without discussion of the decision or of side effects or potential negative effects? It would have been an ethical dilemma. Is accepting that it was happening and giving advice the right decision? Could or should they have given strong warnings?

Again, the scandal is not drugs being bought online due to waiting lists, it is drugs being given to kids in the first place.

I suppose this gives those that knew about it and turned a blind eye an excuse to pretend that this is brand new information.